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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #7 - 08/19/11 at 16:24:19
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I've played 3.Nc3 against the Slav for a long time.  My opinions:

1. The Schlecter is pleasant to play against.
2. You need something against 3...Nf6 4.e3 e6, which is highly theoretical and entirely fine for Black.
3. 3...dxc4 4.e4 used to score me a lot of points, but now that Vigus wrote a book on it, my opponents are prepared.  I still prefer White there, though.
4. 3...e5 is entirely playable though probably a little better for White.
5. After 3...Nf6 4.e3 Bg4, I'm not sure what is best.
6. After many years of trying to prove an edge against 3...Nf6 4.e3 Bf5 with 5.cd cd 6.Qb3, I've basically concluded that Black is fully equal after 6...Bc8!  The trouble for White is that he has played 4.e3, blocking in his Queen's Bishop, his Knight is on c3 so you can't play the Bc1-d2-b4 plan, and the Queen on b3 is now misplaced.  After something like 7.Nf3 e6 8.Bd3 Nc6, Black will later play ...Nc6-a5, regaining the tempo he lost earlier; the Queen doesn't really have a better square than d1 to move to.  If White tries for IQP positions with the e3-e4 push at some point, which looks like a logical way to exploit Black's wasting two tempos, the Queen is still misplaced on b3 and White has lost a move playing e2-e3 and then e3-e4.  So again, Black is fine.

Just my two cents, and why I head for the Dutch variation these days.
  
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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #6 - 08/19/11 at 15:12:23
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Ametanoitos wrote on 08/19/11 at 14:52:10:
We have discussed Vigus' lines 2 or 3 times on this board and everytime concluded that White is better by simple play. The "problem" is what to play against 3...Nf6. 4.e3 leads to the Meran and 4.Nf3 to the classical position. But why play 3.Nc3 and allow 3...dxc4 as an extra option even if this not a good one? From a practical point of view this doesn't make sense to me. What makes sense is to use this move order to reach the Meran without allowing the Classical Slav but be prepared to face the "good Slechter" with ...g6 because the only time when this variation is good for equality is when the Bishop is locked on c1!


Well obviously, White's trying to transpose either into a Schlecter Slav or a Meran System (Black's choice) instead of playing a classical Slav.  Personally I think 3...dxc4 is a little better for White, though Vigus argues differently in his book.  3...e5 has been known to be dicey for at least 10 years or so.  

So it's a game of chess, big deal.  As a classical Slav player you do have to decide which way to go against it.  I don't think that any of them is a cakewalk, but just playing a Meran seems like the most ambitious idea.  The only problem is the practical one of having to prepare it in addition to your regular Slav lines.

There are a few people who think 3.Nc3 is a mistake, but that depends pretty much of what you think about 3...dxc4.  I do agree that 3.Nc3 is imprecise unless you plan to answer 3...Nf6 with 4.e3.
  

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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #5 - 08/19/11 at 14:52:17
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Alias wrote on 08/19/11 at 13:47:05:
Several older books acknowledge the problem of 3...Nf6 4.e3 Bf5 and suggests 4...e6.

Which, at the risk of stating the obvious, transposes to the Meran Semi-Slav after 5.Nf3, so you'll need to study that or deviate at some point.
  
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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #4 - 08/19/11 at 14:52:10
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We have discussed Vigus' lines 2 or 3 times on this board and everytime concluded that White is better by simple play. The "problem" is what to play against 3...Nf6. 4.e3 leads to the Meran and 4.Nf3 to the classical position. But why play 3.Nc3 and allow 3...dxc4 as an extra option even if this not a good one? From a practical point of view this doesn't make sense to me. What makes sense is to use this move order to reach the Meran without allowing the Classical Slav but be prepared to face the "good Slechter" with ...g6 because the only time when this variation is good for equality is when the Bishop is locked on c1!
  
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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #3 - 08/19/11 at 13:47:05
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Vigus - Play The Slav http://www.everymanchess.com/chess/books/Play_the_Slav

He advocates 3...dxc4 vs 3.Nc3. Several older books acknowledge the problem of 3...Nf6 4.e3 Bf5 and suggests 4...e6. The very recent Lakdawala book seems to suggest 4...a6 judging from the intro, although there is a section on 3.Nc3 dxc4.
  

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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #2 - 08/19/11 at 13:35:15
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Alias wrote on 08/19/11 at 13:22:14:
a) Not so easy to achieve +=, see Vigus.

Thanks - where should I be looking for this?
  
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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #1 - 08/19/11 at 13:22:14
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a) Not so easy to achieve +=, see Vigus.
b) Not trendy.
c) Don't count on 4...Bf5. It's a well known inaccuracy. 4...e6, 4...a6 and 4...g6 are more likely.
  

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Queen Slav
08/19/11 at 13:15:40
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1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 was called Queen's Slav by Euwe. What's your opinion guys: is this a good way to combat the Slav from white's point of view? I have the following variations in mind:
1) 3. ... dc4: 4.e4 (Keres) and now either 4. ... b5 5.a4 or 4. ... e5 5.Nf3 ed4: 6.Qd4: both += 
2) 3. ... e5 (trendy but very risky) 4.de5: d4 5.Ne4 better for white.
3) 3. ... Nf6 4.e3!? Bf5 5.cd5: cd5: 6.Qb3 also better for white.

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