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Reply #11 - 12/27/11 at 16:50:23
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bragesjo wrote on 12/27/11 at 16:29:29:
However I also go the feeling that modern 2700+ players plays better chess but I realy liked that book anyway.

Not necessarily better, but definitely mature.. They know much more than the pioneers.  Wink
  
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Re: Rubinstein with Bd3 & Ne2
Reply #10 - 12/27/11 at 16:29:29
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Now have I read "Zurich International Candidates Tournament, 1953. ". I was a very strange tournamnet in many aspects, I got the impression that black had better results than white!

There where many nice games there and now I understand why modern theory recommends other moves or move orders within the Nimzo. It was also interesting to see lines raraly played in other openings and some unusal defences and some Nimzo Indian lines I had never seen before.

However I also go the feeling that modern 2700+ players plays better chess but I realy liked that book anyway.
  
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Re: Rubinstein with Bd3 & Ne2
Reply #9 - 12/06/11 at 17:29:25
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Taimanov's chapter on the Nimzo (and his other Nimzo games) is an excellent resource for someone just starting out playing it! It won't answer questions about how the opening has evolved in the last 20 years or so, but it is an excellent starting place. Another great old resource for the Nimzo is Bronstein's classic Zurich International Candidates Tournament, 1953

I am not as convinced as I once was that this is the way to study openings. It's a great way to study chess, but not necessarily the openings.
  
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Re: Rubinstein with Bd3 & Ne2
Reply #8 - 12/06/11 at 12:54:24
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I am currently reading "Taimanovs Selected games " (or something like that). I did have an entire chapter towards white in Nimzo Indian with e3 and also a chapter about white in Kings Indian. I have however not read the entire book yet, I  am currently at attacking games chapters that follows. Might be of interest.
  
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Re: Rubinstein with Bd3 & Ne2
Reply #7 - 10/15/11 at 17:13:32
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Besides 7...cxd4 as I already mentioned Black also has 7...Nc6 8.a3 cxd4 9.exd4 dxc4 10.Bxc4 so your remark is incorrect. White cannot avoid the IQP-positions which demand a Knight on f3 iso e2, I maintain.

OrangeCounty wrote on 10/14/11 at 20:57:35:
first, you don't block the f pawn.

This is irrelevant in the IQP-positions which White cannot avoid.

OrangeCounty wrote on 10/14/11 at 20:57:35:
Second, you obtain an alternative means of recapture on c3,

This is irrelevant if Black refuses to capture on c3 in the first place, which is entirely logical if his/her intention is to saddle White with the IQP.

OrangeCounty wrote on 10/14/11 at 20:57:35:
and a choice of pawn structures as a result.

Which happens not to be the case as it is up to Black to decide if White will have an IQP or not. White does not have a choice.
  

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Re: Rubinstein with Bd3 & Ne2
Reply #6 - 10/14/11 at 20:57:35
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4.e3 O-O 5.Bd3 c5 6.Nge2 d5 7. 0-0 Nc6 8. a3 Bxc3 9. bxc3 -

This was the line I was thinking of, although there are a number of alternatives both from a move order perspective and in terms of the resulting position with this alternative structure.  There are a couple of reasons why Nge2 is an alternative to Nf3; first, you don't block the f pawn.  Second, you obtain an alternative means of recapture on c3, and a choice of pawn structures as a result.

There is also a line or two where Black meets cxd5 with exd5.  Not all of these are the most respected main lines, but just because theory has not favored an alternative does not render it a nullity.  The position after 9. bxc3 has 123 games in Chesslive.de.
  
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Re: Rubinstein with Bd3 & Ne2
Reply #5 - 10/14/11 at 02:05:01
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OrangeCounty wrote on 10/13/11 at 21:05:42:
However, the point of Ne2 is to avoid both the IQP and the doubled c-pawns by maintaining a choice of ways to recapture on c3 (I think), so maybe this isn't a major problem.

I'd like to know which move sequence you actually have in mind to avoid the IQP.
4.e3 O-O 5.Bd3 c5 6.Nge2 d5 7.cxd5 cxd4 8.exd4 Nxd5 9.O-O Nc6 is a main line. Other options are 7.a3 cxd4 8.exd4 dxc4 9.Bxc4 Be7 and 7.O-O cxd4 8.exd4 dxc4 9.Bxc4 in both cases with an IQP as well.
  

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Re: Rubinstein with Bd3 & Ne2
Reply #4 - 10/13/11 at 21:05:42
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I think a discussion depends on what Black is proposing to do: If 4. e3 c5 5. Bd3 Nc6 6. Ne2 cxd4, for instance, then you have a very different game than after 4. e3 c5 5. Bd3 d5.  I agree with the previous posters that in the event of an isolated pawn position, White is better off with Nf3 than Ne2.  However, the point of Ne2 is to avoid both the IQP and the doubled c-pawns by maintaining a choice of ways to recapture on c3 (I think), so maybe this isn't a major problem.

I haven't played the Rubinstein for White, though, only from the Black side, so perhaps I'm just projecting a Black player's fears onto the variation.
  
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Re: Rubinstein with Bd3 & Ne2
Reply #3 - 10/04/11 at 12:33:54
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Speaking of Sokolov, one of my clubmates has mentioned that he has the worlds broadest anti nimzo repertour since he plays almost any legal move against the Nimzo Indian. 

But back to topic, it depends on blacks reply to e3 and whites taste as well.
  
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Re: Rubinstein with Bd3 & Ne2
Reply #2 - 10/04/11 at 07:20:06
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MNb wrote on 10/04/11 at 02:16:50:
Am I an expert, having played a handful of games as White with 4.e3 ? I'll give my two SRD anyway.

My only loss in the Rubinstein went 4.e3 O-O 5.Bd3 c5 6.Nge2 d5 7.cxd5 cxd4 8.exd4 Nxd5 9.O-O Nc6. In these IQP positions I very much want my Knight on f3. That's because I have a simple attitude. White must rely on active piece play to compensate the slight weakness on d4, eventually initiating an attack against Black's King. It's obvious that the Knight on e2 is relatively passive - the same on f4 compared to e5.
After that loss I switched to 6.Nf3. A not to deep study of Hansen's book on the Rubinstein has confirmed my preference.

I support your opinion. If white plays 5.Bd3 the king's knight seems way better on f3 than on e2. The move Nge2 is better only when connected with a2-a3 and Ne2xc3 intention right away..i.e. on the 5th move..  Wink
  
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Re: Rubinstein with Bd3 & Ne2
Reply #1 - 10/04/11 at 02:16:50
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Am I an expert, having played a handful of games as White with 4.e3 ? I'll give my two SRD anyway.

My only loss in the Rubinstein went 4.e3 O-O 5.Bd3 c5 6.Nge2 d5 7.cxd5 cxd4 8.exd4 Nxd5 9.O-O Nc6. In these IQP positions I very much want my Knight on f3. That's because I have a simple attitude. White must rely on active piece play to compensate the slight weakness on d4, eventually initiating an attack against Black's King. It's obvious that the Knight on e2 is relatively passive - the same on f4 compared to e5.
After that loss I switched to 6.Nf3. A not to deep study of Hansen's book on the Rubinstein has confirmed my preference.
  

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Rubinstein with Bd3 & Ne2
10/03/11 at 12:24:06
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I'm working my way through Sokolov's excellent book Winning Chess Middlegames. He gives quite a lot of analyses of the Rubinstein variation With Bd3 & Ne2 which he says he played a lot in the nineteen eighties. Can I have your expert opinion please - is this a good line for white against the Nimzo-Indian? is it difficult for black to equalize?
  
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