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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #73 - 09/09/13 at 06:20:23
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No! My intention is still to play 9.Nf3! With the Bd3 move you only avoid that unpleasant take at f1 and ...Qa6 idea, i was not intending to play Nge2!
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #72 - 09/08/13 at 23:02:36
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Ametanoitos wrote on 09/08/13 at 01:57:08:
atticus wrote on 09/07/13 at 15:17:35:
@gwnn

He presents his analysis of 12.Qe2 and 12.a4! lines first. After admitting black's position is inferior in the a4 line, he advocates bypassing this in an early stage with

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5 4.cxb5 a6 5.bxa6 g6 6.Nc3 Bxa6 7.e4 Qa5!?

After this he analyses three main tries for white: 8.Bxa6, 8.e5 and 8.Bd2


8.Bd3! is natural and critical i think. The idea is that the typical 8...Bxd3 9.Qxd3 Qa6 is met by 10.Nb5! Qb6 11.a4. Does he look to that? My first impression is that this quick ...Qa5 is suspicious...


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He analyse: 8...Bg7  9.Nge2-d6 10. 0-0- 0-0
and states that : 

Any Benkø player should be happy with black chances here.

I tend to agree at my level.

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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #71 - 09/08/13 at 15:02:40
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Stigma wrote on 09/08/13 at 13:41:03:
TalJechin wrote on 09/08/13 at 09:11:37:

Just took a look at Gambit's site and at least now they give three links to amazon for every kindle book - the difference in price and currency seems to change depending on whether it's amazon .com / .de / co.uk

If you're ordering from Europe, you should probably choose to buy from a European amazon. For example the new Burgess book is 14.94$ , 6.94 £ and 7.94 Euro.

Could it be that you and Stigma have simply missed the different currency and only looked at the numbers of the price?

We're not that stupid  Smiley

I'm not even allowed to buy Kindle books from amazon.co.uk or amazon.de. Once I log in and the site recognizes I'm from Norway, I'm told to buy from Amazon.com instead. And when I go there, the price increases...

If the real price of the Burgess book with VAT included is $14.94, why does it say "$9.95, £6.94, €7,94" on the Gambit website http://www.gambitbooks.com/ebooks.html ? I still find that misleading; increasing a price by 50% is not a "minor fluctuation".


Sorry, no offence intended, thought it might be a plausible explanation at the time...

I never buy from Amazon anyway... Smiley 

But since Fllg could buy it for the published price, it may be be an issue between Amazon and its Norwegian customers which Gambit may not know about. 
Perhaps it includes some customs fee for non-EU countries... Strange though that you're not allowed to buy from .de or co.uk instead. Undecided


I just did some googling and found out that Amazon even charges a few bucks from Norwegians for material that is free!  Shocked
http://weirdmage.blogspot.se/2011/02/amazons-hidden-extra-charges-does.html

edit: apparently they claim the fee is some kind of 3G roaming charge, made mandatory for some customers, even if they don't have 3G...
http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2010/08/30/international-kindle-users-heres-ho...
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #70 - 09/08/13 at 13:41:03
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TalJechin wrote on 09/08/13 at 09:11:37:

Just took a look at Gambit's site and at least now they give three links to amazon for every kindle book - the difference in price and currency seems to change depending on whether it's amazon .com / .de / co.uk

If you're ordering from Europe, you should probably choose to buy from a European amazon. For example the new Burgess book is 14.94$ , 6.94 £ and 7.94 Euro.

Could it be that you and Stigma have simply missed the different currency and only looked at the numbers of the price?

We're not that stupid  Smiley

I'm not even allowed to buy Kindle books from amazon.co.uk or amazon.de. Once I log in and the site recognizes I'm from Norway, I'm told to buy from Amazon.com instead. And when I go there, the price increases...

If the real price of the Burgess book with VAT included is $14.94, why does it say "$9.95, £6.94, €7,94" on the Gambit website http://www.gambitbooks.com/ebooks.html ? I still find that misleading; increasing a price by 50% is not a "minor fluctuation".
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #69 - 09/08/13 at 10:42:08
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Ametanoitos wrote on 09/08/13 at 01:57:08:
8.Bd3! is natural and critical i think. The idea is that the typical 8...Bxd3 9.Qxd3 Qa6 is met by 10.Nb5! Qb6 11.a4. Does he look to that? My first impression is that this quick ...Qa5 is suspicious...


8.Bd3 is only a sideline in his analysis. He continues differently and concludes Black can be happy with his chances there. Again I don´t think it´s right to reveal his analysis here even if it´s only a sideline.

But I would also welcome if Gambit would decide to publish this part of the chapter for free on their website. Even if I have already paid for it.  Smiley
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #68 - 09/08/13 at 09:11:37
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Benoniac wrote on 09/07/13 at 18:33:04:
Stigma wrote on 09/07/13 at 18:11:37:
I have the "Kindle for PC" program, but one thing really bugs me about these Kindle e-books: Every time i click on one and get sent to amazon.com, the price increases by 50-100%! I assume Amazon gives people from different countries different prices, but why are they allowed to do that? I can't see that happening with a printed book.

Plus, it makes Gambit's own pricing information on their website misleading to non-US/UK/German customers.



Very true. 

In my case today, the price went from 9.95  dollars at GAMBIT to 14.94 at Amazone.  It says on the GAMBIT site that:

Kindle prices quoted may be subject to minor fluctuations on the Amazon.com website.

I dont think this is a minor fluctuation. But its Benko, and they fooled me  Smiley

Ben


Just took a look at Gambit's site and at least now they give three links to amazon for every kindle book - the difference in price and currency seems to change depending on whether it's amazon .com / .de / co.uk

If you're ordering from Europe, you should probably choose to buy from a European amazon. For example the new Burgess book is 14.94$ , 6.94 £ and 7.94 Euro.

Could it be that you and Stigma have simply missed the different currency and only looked at the numbers of the price?
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #67 - 09/08/13 at 01:57:08
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atticus wrote on 09/07/13 at 15:17:35:
@gwnn

He presents his analysis of 12.Qe2 and 12.a4! lines first. After admitting black's position is inferior in the a4 line, he advocates bypassing this in an early stage with

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5 4.cxb5 a6 5.bxa6 g6 6.Nc3 Bxa6 7.e4 Qa5!?

After this he analyses three main tries for white: 8.Bxa6, 8.e5 and 8.Bd2


8.Bd3! is natural and critical i think. The idea is that the typical 8...Bxd3 9.Qxd3 Qa6 is met by 10.Nb5! Qb6 11.a4. Does he look to that? My first impression is that this quick ...Qa5 is suspicious...
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #66 - 09/07/13 at 22:59:44
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kylemeister wrote on 09/07/13 at 22:52:04:
Chandler is a GM, though.


Well, sorry for that. Im just old enough to remember him as a long time IM. My fault. 

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Chandler is a GM, though.
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #64 - 09/07/13 at 22:38:07
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Fllg wrote on 09/07/13 at 20:17:40:
That´s strange. I bought it exactly at the price given on Gambit´s website.


Well, believe it or not. Stigmas words are very true. Today I also ordered "a cunning rep" by Burgess and excatly the same thing happend. From 9.95 to 14.94 dollars.

I also got an unconvincing answer from IM Chandler at the GAMBIT publishing site regarding the update on Aveskulov omitted line(s)  in the King Walk Chapter.  

Its not that I can`t  afford to buy the books or Kindle or whatever. The the thing is that a publisher or an author with respect for himself would solve this thing otherwise, I think. Its a matter of hounor. 

The way I see it GAMBIT has failed to live up to their reputation.  Now the first letter in GAMBIT stands for "Greed" in my opinion.

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That´s strange. I bought it exactly at the price given on Gambit´s website.
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
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Stigma wrote on 09/07/13 at 18:11:37:
I have the "Kindle for PC" program, but one thing really bugs me about these Kindle e-books: Every time i click on one and get sent to amazon.com, the price increases by 50-100%! I assume Amazon gives people from different countries different prices, but why are they allowed to do that? I can't see that happening with a printed book.

Plus, it makes Gambit's own pricing information on their website misleading to non-US/UK/German customers.



Very true. 

In my case today, the price went from 9.95  dollars at GAMBIT to 14.94 at Amazone.  It says on the GAMBIT site that:

Kindle prices quoted may be subject to minor fluctuations on the Amazon.com website.

I dont think this is a minor fluctuation. But its Benko, and they fooled me  Smiley

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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
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I have the "Kindle for PC" program, but one thing really bugs me about these Kindle e-books: Every time i click on one and get sent to amazon.com, the price increases by 50-100%! I assume Amazon gives people from different countries different prices, but why are they allowed to do that? I can't see that happening with a printed book.

Plus, it makes Gambit's own pricing information on their website misleading to non-US/UK/German customers.
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #60 - 09/07/13 at 15:17:35
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@gwnn

He presents his analysis of 12.Qe2 and 12.a4! lines first. After admitting black's position is inferior in the a4 line, he advocates bypassing this in an early stage with

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5 4.cxb5 a6 5.bxa6 g6 6.Nc3 Bxa6 7.e4 Qa5!?

After this he analyses three main tries for white: 8.Bxa6, 8.e5 and 8.Bd2
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #59 - 09/07/13 at 14:58:30
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I never understood the point of these vague posts. Surely you should at least show where he deviates and how? You would be sharing approximately 0.1% of the 14 page analysis with us.
  
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