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Probable a transcription error, both players have over 2400 Elo, they should be strong enough to avoid such blunders

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No of course I renembered the post. 8.Nf4 was considered to be equal, are there any new developments, which are good news for white? From a theoretical point 5.Nce2 might be not the best but it's also not easy to get an edge after 5.f4 if black knows what to do. Many of the lines arising after Nce2 are very interesting which gives white good chances to play for a win and most of them are also a bit better for white. 
regards Tom

If I renember correctly, this is the reason why it is out of fashion

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 5. Nce2 c5 6. c3 cxd4 7. cxd4 f6 

regards
Tom

kylemeister wrote on 02/18/13 at 21:15:19:


Yeah true, but unless I'm mistaken, this move was Spielmann's patent.  Of all people.

kylemeister wrote on 02/18/13 at 21:15:19:


They also analysed the c3 sicilian(!)

I guess 'attacking' was considered to be more a state of mind than any specific sequence of moves.

MartinC wrote on 02/18/13 at 16:11:31:


Well since that book happens to be a couple of feet to my right, I'll check for you.  Hang on.

Yes, he does have one game on it (Morozevich-Moskalenko).  There's also a couple of games in McDonald's How to play against 1e4 - although, like JW's PtF4, that's going to be from the Black perspective.

18 games in the Chesspub database - probably the best bet as a source of information.

Assuming you don't want to stump up the few £s it costs for a subscription, you might want to check out Anand's games.  The Nc3-e2 system always reminds me of him duffing up Shirov with it several times around 2000.  He seems to have played it quite a few times back then, and with success, although I've no idea if he carried on.


Update: 11 pages in McDonald's book on this system.

Also, now I think about it, wasn't Nce2 the recommendation in Keene/Levy's old Opening Repertoire for the Attacking Player?  The second edition I think.

Will be hugely out of date now, of course, but might be worth checking out for the general ideas if you can get your hands on a copy

MartinC wrote on 02/18/13 at 10:07:14:


Thank you for an answer. I tried to look for some materials on this variation but failed. I have only something in Psakhis book. Is there any other matierlal available? Maybe someone recommanded it in repertoire book? (I don't like ECO, and NCO might be not up-to-date).

White's normally relatively happy to go Kf2 with the rook developing via h3 The transpositions (or not) will I believe be to various 3.. Nf6 4 e5, 5 f4 Tarrasch lines. iirc this can transpose to some of those - and is sometimes treated that way in books - but is obviously independently some of the time too.

If you don't like 5 f4 then it's a very logical place to look. Rather more ambitious/riskier I suppose. Maybe a little bit less trendy in recent times but setting up a massive center like this is always going to be a relatively fundamental challenge.