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Re: Modern bogo
Reply #9 - 12/08/18 at 21:35:55
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Do you guys know if the Modern Bogo is treated in any of Avrukh's books? I can't seem to find it, but it should be in there somewhere, right?
  
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Re: Modern bogo
Reply #8 - 12/09/14 at 09:56:05
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I got my copy of The Modern Bogo 4days ago.
I tried to search a particular line and found a note "for xyz see below" I eventually found the line having read through 13 pages, of variations, and 5 further referrals to the same "note below".
This is the most badly written chess opening book that I have ever tried to read. It is unusable.
With freight it cost me around $40. I will happily sell to anyone within Australia for $10.
Utter rubbish.
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Re: Modern bogo
Reply #7 - 08/30/14 at 10:07:53
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Do you know how compares where Eingorn's book were they overlap, say the a5 lines?
  
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Re: Modern bogo
Reply #6 - 08/29/14 at 08:40:17
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My copy arrived today! It's very interesting, full of usual ideas. Even the typesetting has improved greatly from their previous effort (The Modern French) where I thought it was often difficult to distinguish the main lines in bold from the notes and subvariations. It all seemed to merge into one. But anyway, its not a problem in this new book, which I was pleased to see. Smiley

There are numerous transpositions back into the regular Bogo, as well as some Queen's Indian and even Nimzo-Indian lines (1.d4 e6 2.c4 Bb4+ 3.Nc3 c5 4.Nf3 and now they recommend 4...Nf6, but give a separate chapter on things like 4...d5 etc).

For those wondering about the contents, New in Chess have put up the contents on their site - http://www.newinchess.com/The_Modern_Bogo_1_d4_e6-p-997.html. I particularly like the idea of separating the index of variations into two parts - 'lines with ...Nf6' and 'lines without ...Nf6'.

Overall, recommended. I'm not saying the positions are especially easy to handle as you have to be familiar with many different structures. But as a complete reference on 2...Bb4+, it'll stand the test of time.
  
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Re: Modern bogo
Reply #5 - 06/01/14 at 12:27:22
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Obviously there is an abundance of options after 1.d4 e6 2.Nf3 - the only question is which one fits best. Pick your choice:

- 2...f5 3.g3 and now either the Christmas Tree (Double Fianchetto) beginning with b6 or the Alekhine Variation with ....Ne4;
- 2...Nf6 3.c4 c5 4.d5 b5 the Blumenfeld Gambit;
- 2...Nf6 3.c4 d5 and ...Bb4 Ragosin and related stuff (the Manhattan with ...Nbd7 does well in practice);
- 2...Nf6 3.c4 d5 4.Nc3 c5 the Semi-Tarrasch;
- 2...Nf6 3.c4 Nc6 the Black Knight Tango (having avoided 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 Nc6 3.Nc3 e6?! 4.e4).

One could even make arguments for main defences: the Queen's Indian (having avoided the NID), the QGD (having avoided the Exchange Variation with Nge2) and the Triangle (having avoided the Marshall Gambit). But I assume most players prefer to cut down on theory.
There is only a problem with 2.Nf3 if Black expects a miracle cure - but then I would advise against 2...Bb4+ anyway.

Given the title my bet is on the Bogo-Indian, again being satisfied to have avoided the NID.
  

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Re: Modern bogo
Reply #4 - 05/31/14 at 23:47:26
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The only thing I can really think of is 2...Nf6 intending 3.c4 Bb4+, but that would mean Black would have to play an early ...Nf6 in the 2.c4 Bb4+ line

Maybe it's just wishful thinking to hope for something more practical to exist than 2...c5, idk
  

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Re: Modern bogo
Reply #3 - 05/31/14 at 23:33:53
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Mainline_Novelty wrote on 05/31/14 at 23:17:54:
I really hope the authors will have something else up their sleeve after 2.Nf3 other than Eingorn's 2...c5, allowing 3.e4!?

it doesn't look easy to me to give something independent after 2.Nf3, any suggestions?
  
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Re: Modern bogo
Reply #2 - 05/31/14 at 23:17:54
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I really hope the authors will have something else up their sleeve after 2.Nf3 other than Eingorn's 2...c5, allowing 3.e4!?
  

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Re: Modern bogo
Reply #1 - 05/31/14 at 21:11:43
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Set to be out next month.

I think it's going to recommend the Keres or Kangaroo defence, 1.d4 e6 2.c4 Bb4+ 

1.d4 e6 2.c4 Bb4+ 3.Bd2 choice of 3...a5, 3...Qe7 or 3...Bxd2

1.d4 e6 2.c4 Bb4+ 3.Nd2 choice of 3...d5, 3...c5 3...Nf6 (transposing back to the Bogo) or 3...f5

1.d4 e6 2.c4 Bb4+ 3.Nc3 choice of 3...Nf6 (won't happen Nimzo transposition), 3...f5 (would be great if this worked), 3...c5 

Will probably buy, has anyone played this OTB, what's the best lines for Black?

I suppose main detraction is you have to play French against 1.e4
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Modern bogo
11/22/13 at 10:30:17
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http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Bogo-1-d4-e6-Complete/dp/9056914952/ref=sr_sp-atf_t...

Since the book starts with 1.d4 it seems that the authors have decided not to include flank openings. There were some discussions here about the Eingorn suggestions there and as far as I could tell, the problems of making a full 1...e6 repertoire was not solved. I wonder if 1.e4 is included in the fortcoming book or if they refer to their book on the French.
  

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