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Re: Nordic Gambit
Reply #7 - 08/22/17 at 18:16:22
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Hmm; I see that Fine had 5. Be2"!" as leading to "unclear complications" in Practical Chess Openings (1948), while 60 years later MCO said "fair attacking chances" (both gave only 5...Qxg2).  I wonder if Kaufman's later repertoire book also didn't mention 5. Be2 (I see that it did recommend 3...Qe7).

edit:  oops -- MCO also opined that 5. Be2 Nf6 (it actually gave 5...d5, evidently a typo) 6. Nf3 Bb4+ 7. Nc3 0-0 8. 0-0 Bxc3 9. bc d6 "leaves White too little for the pawn, Karesik-Mikhalevski, Israel 2004."
  
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Re: Nordic Gambit
Reply #6 - 08/22/17 at 10:08:46
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In an opening booklet of the 1960s, Bent Larsen had recommended 3...d5 4.exd5 Nf6. Later in Kaissiber he preferred 3...Qe7, too. It is surely a good reply, and therefore the other move order (Nf3 first) should be considered.  

kylemeister wrote on 08/21/17 at 19:15:37:
"Naturally one does not take the second pawn" -- Wolfgang Unzicker, way back (referring to the Göring move order) ...
 
That's fine when the two alternatives are of roughly the same value... But what about 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.c3 Qe7 4.cxd4 Qxe4+ 5.Be2! - Rudolf Spielmann's move?

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When Black expects 5.Be3, giving him a comfortable advantage, but the opponent suddenly isn't cooperative and plays for fast development, what is Black going to do? If he does not take the second pawn, he accepts a balanced position. Taking the second pawn seems obligatory here, for an ambitious Black player, right? (By the way, I see that Kaufman doesn't mention 5.Be2.)
  
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Re: Nordic Gambit
Reply #5 - 08/21/17 at 19:15:37
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"Naturally one does not take the second pawn" -- Wolfgang Unzicker, way back (referring to the Göring move order) ...
  
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Re: Nordic Gambit
Reply #4 - 08/21/17 at 19:04:07
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Fllg wrote on 08/21/17 at 18:24:46:
That is certainly an interesting find but I would never consider taking both pawns otb.
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One pawn yes. Two pawns no.
  
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Re: Nordic Gambit
Reply #3 - 08/21/17 at 18:35:41
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Well White could avoid that by starting with 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 c3 etc.
  
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Re: Nordic Gambit
Reply #2 - 08/21/17 at 18:33:09
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Fllg wrote on 08/21/17 at 18:24:46:
To this day I have never faced this gambit but my intention always was to answer 3.c3 with the weird looking 3...Qe7!? which makes full use of the fact that White has blocked c3 for his queen´s knight for a moment. Does White have full compensation after 4.cxd4 Qxe4+ 5.Be3 Nf6 6.Nc3 Bb4 followed, if possible, by ...0-0, ...d7-d5 and ...Qe7?


I seem to recall Larry Kaufman not thinking so in his earlier repertoire book.
  
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Re: Nordic Gambit
Reply #1 - 08/21/17 at 18:24:46
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That is certainly an interesting find but I would never consider taking both pawns otb. 

To this day I have never faced this gambit but my intention always was to answer 3.c3 with the weird looking 3...Qe7!? which makes full use of the fact that White has blocked c3 for his queen´s knight for a moment. Does White have full compensation after 4.cxd4 Qxe4+ 5.Be3 Nf6 6.Nc3 Bb4 followed, if possible, by ...0-0, ...d7-d5 and ...Qe7?
  
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Nordic Gambit
08/21/17 at 17:20:05
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Martin Lokander's book The Open Games with Black (2015) recommends to take both pawns: 1. e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.c3 dxc3 4. Nf3 Nc6 5.Bc4 cxb2!? 6.Bxb2 Bb4+ 7.Nc3 Nf6 8.0-0 Bxc3 9.Bxc3 0-0. The author only considers the reply 10.Re1. White has the stronger 10.Ng5!.

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For example 10...h6 11.Nxf7 Rxf7 12.Bxf7+ Kxf7 13.e5 Ne8 14.Qb3+. This position offers White not only full compensation for the pawns, it is also exactly what a gambit player wants. If 14...Kf8, 15.Rae1 threatening Re3-f3+. 

By the way, the similar 9...d6 10.Ng5! had already been played in four games - three wins and one draw for White.
  
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