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Re: Question in the French Tarrasch
Reply #3 - 01/09/18 at 20:39:18
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FrenchRefutes1e4 wrote on 01/09/18 at 20:00:24:
This could be part of my problem as I've in the past tried to force the Queen to the open Kingside (in this line specifically) rather than going to b6 and pressuring d4 like in just about any other line of the French outside of maybe the Exchange.

I looked it up in The Modern French (2012) by Antic and Maksimovic, whose repertoire choice against the Tarrasch is 3...Be7. They follow the same Paavilainen-Vaisser game for a bit and also give another short game; in both games the queen switched back to c7 and became a threat to White's kingside from there:

9.h3?! h5 10.g4 hxg4 11.hxg4 Qb6 (=+) and here:

– 12.dxc5?! Qc7! (–/+) 13.Re1 Ndxe5 14.Nxe5 Nxe5 15.Nb3?! Rh3 16.Re3 Nf3+ 17.Kg2 Rh2+ 18.Kxf3 Qf4+ 19.Ke2 Qxf2+ 0-1 Jaenig-Kindermann, 2004

– 12.Qa4 cxd4 13.cxd4 f6 (=+) 14.Nb3 Qc7 15.Re1 f5! (–+) [Paavilainen-Vaisser, 1986] with the double threat ...fxg4 and ...Nb6 [... analyzed a bit further in the book; in the actual game Vaisser gave White some chances]

Vaisser's (and Pedersen's) 12.Re1 must be a better try for White than these opening disasters, but goes unmentioned by Antic/Maksimovic.
  

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Re: Question in the French Tarrasch
Reply #2 - 01/09/18 at 20:00:24
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Interesting - I'll have to look at this line before my next tournament at the end of the month.  This could be part of my problem as I've in the past tried to force the Queen to the open Kingside (in this line specifically) rather than going to b6 and pressuring d4 like in just about any other line of the French outside of maybe the Exchange.
  
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Re: Question in the French Tarrasch
Reply #1 - 01/09/18 at 19:50:10
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Well, Steffen Pedersen in his 2005 Tarrasch book had this to say:

"9. h3 h5 only seems to help Black as it could be supposed that a possible opening of the h-file would be to Black's advantage.  White can try the provocative-looking 10. g4, and after 10...hxg4 11. hxg4 Qb6 (Paavilainen-Vaiser, Tallinn 1986) Vaiser claims that after 12. Re1 cxd4 13. cxd4 Nxd4 14. Nxd4 Qxd4 15. Nb3 Qa4 16. Qe2 gives White some compensation, although I doubt this is objectively correct after 16...a6 17. Bd2 b6!."
  
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Question in the French Tarrasch
01/09/18 at 19:28:17
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I have a major question in the French Tarrasch.  I think, if I follow the PDF correctly, that they have this line under 3...Nf6, but the Question I have pertains to the position after any of these 3 lines:

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 c5 4.Ngf3 Nf6 5.e5 Nfd7 6.c3 Nc6 7.Bd3 Be7 8.O-O g5 (How I usually get there)

OR

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.Bd3 c5 6.c3 Nc6 7.Ngf3 Be7 8.O-O g5

OR

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Be7 4.Ngf3 Nf6 5.e5 Nfd7 6.Bd3 c5 7.c3 Nc6 8.O-O g5


It is well known that White's best move is 9.dxc5!  I have also seen some resources mention 9.a3.

That said, at the amateur level (1900 to 2100 level opponents), I repeatedly get either 9.g4 or 9.h3 h5 10.g4, and if I answer 9.g4 with 9...h5, it transposes to the second line as they play 10.h3.

This is mentioned nowhere that I have seen.  Is there something wrong with this idea for White and that's why it's not mentioned any where?  Or have players of the White pieces found a novelty that actually works?  What should Black do against this move that at first glance appears to severely weaken the White King but after further analysis, seems to be hard to counter and often times, it's my g5-pawn that is getting attacked and becomes hard to defend.

Help please!
  
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