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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #23 - 09/09/19 at 01:52:54
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fjd wrote on 08/05/19 at 18:19:42:
I haven't done much comparing with the older edition, but from what I understand the changes are mostly with analysis, and not wholesale repertoire recommendation changes.

This is my impression too. I had the original edition and recently I bought this new one in app edition. Maybe I was just unlucky, but in both the parts I needed it for (to look at with a student), I got the feeling it really would have been better to switch lines entirely:

In the 4.Qxd4 Sicilian the main line ends up in calm positions where White's attack has dried up and to my eyes White seriously risks being worse. One obvious solution would have been to add coverage of the setups where White tries to get in c4 with a Maroczy Bind type position, but that's not mentioned. While in the French Two Knights' main line I had some hopes the main line with 0-0-0 would be added since the 0-0 and Ne5 lines don't seem to trouble Black very much. But no such luck... And in the 9...Qxf6 line he doesn't mention Black's plan of ...Qh6 and ...Nf6-h5 that I picked up from Neil McDonald's decade-old book How to Play Against 1 e4.

But there surely are good parts of the book too. I intend to take a closer look at the 1...e5, French, Caro-Kann and Rossolimo chapters and maybe use the lines occasionally.

In the 1...e5 part, the expansion of the note on 8.fxg7!? in the Max Lange Attack shows that some real work has gone into this new edition. The Anti-Max Lange being so drawish is a shame (from a White point of view), but Burgess gives it a good try and I don't think you'll find better attempts to keep some complexity anywhere else.
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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #22 - 09/08/19 at 18:26:49
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According to Amazon my copy arrives tomorrow!! Cheesy
  
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Reply #21 - 09/07/19 at 10:47:12
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The book is now available from an Amazon affiliate, so I feel it will be just days before it is available from the main chess online shops, too...
  
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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #20 - 08/18/19 at 12:11:39
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grandpatzer wrote on 08/18/19 at 11:33:20:
Is the paperback edition already published? I'd love to buy this book in paper version. Gambit site says it's published. But nobody is offering it for sale.

I had a quick look on Chess Direct and Chess and Bridge in the UK, and they didnt appear to list it at all.

Amazon have it on pre-order with a date of 22 September - but i dont know if that is the publication date, or a date they recieve their shipment as some publishers dont supply them as quickly as other retailers.

from memory I didnt think it was supposed to be published in paperback until end of September?
  

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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #19 - 08/18/19 at 11:33:20
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Is the paperback edition already published? I'd love to buy this book in paper version. Gambit site says it's published. But nobody is offering it for sale.
  
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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #18 - 08/12/19 at 04:00:06
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I got the digital edition of this book, I don't know if there is a physical edition but I recommend the digital one because the very nice Android app provides a board and engine support. And very importantly: clickable links!

In my opinion this repertoire book should be first read skipping over almost all subvariations. So you learn the core of the repertoire and then refer to it after each White game you play. Again, clickable links in the Index of variations are a god-send!

Second point I want to make is that it follows a tree structure and doesn't seem to contain full annotated games but it references many of them so you should probably have a nice fat database of games to look them up. I have seen references to high profile player encounters (Carlsen), correspondence games and even at least one Stockfish vs LC0 game from the TCEC  Cheesy

Seems to be an active e4 repertoire for lively games without resorting to cheap gambits. And it is modular so if you don't like the Cochrane gambit, play something else. One cannot expect a fully fleshed out repertoire for White in one volume. Besides, noone plays the Petroff, right?
  
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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #17 - 08/06/19 at 08:22:46
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Thanks for reply.

To my mind on my chess level 2100 Elo one can play Bakers repertoire in full. We are not facing Kramnik & co, so besides fun play we ecpect many fast points.

Sincerely, I have high expectations from this new edition. With bigger pages besides updated theory I expect lot more expkanations and summeries at the end of chapters.

Can somebody share his practice about Max Lange and Coxhrane Gambit?
  
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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #16 - 08/05/19 at 18:19:42
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I haven't done much comparing with the older edition, but from what I understand the changes are mostly with analysis, and not wholesale repertoire recommendation changes. The line against 1...e5 is the same rare line with 8 c3!?, which looks interesting but I'm still suspicious. The Cochrane Gambit is still there. The main change that stands out is of course the inclusion of a recommendation against 1 e4 Nf6 2 Nc3 e5 this time. There's a different line against 3...d4 in the French Two Knights, IIRC (5 b4, as opposed to 5 c3, I think), and Burgess has given a line I like better against 4...Bf5 5 Ng3 Bf5 6 N1e2 in the Caro-Kann.
  
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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #15 - 08/05/19 at 11:32:08
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Since you own new digital edition, can you please tell us whats new in comparison with old edition?

What about critisized lines as Cochrane gambit vs Petroff and problrms vs 1.... e5?

I will definitely buy the book 😉

Thanks for reply 🙋‍♀️
  
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Reply #14 - 07/12/19 at 03:22:45
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The book is out on the Gambit App now. There's a section on 1 e4 Nf6 2 Nc3 e5 now, advocating the Four Knights with 4 h3!?.
  
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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #13 - 05/08/19 at 12:06:22
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My go to in openings is moving the Queen's pawn to “d4” which leads to openings such as the Queen's Gambit, King's Indian Defense, Nimzo-Indian, Bogo-Indian, Queen's Indian Defense, and Dutch Defense.
  
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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #12 - 05/05/19 at 14:21:04
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katar wrote on 05/05/19 at 00:01:50:
fjd wrote on 05/04/19 at 23:01:56:

C) "Anti- Max Lange" with 5...Nxe4: Black has to be a bit careful for the first few moves, but beyond that it's relatively dry =.

It is already equal the instant Black plays d7-d5.  Black does not have to be any more careful than White.  In fact White is the one with the narrow path to equality while Black is the one with options. (i.e., Black can put the queen on h5, a5, or even d7; Black can castle either side or choose either Be7 or Bd6 in the main Qa5 line - everything is equal everywhere.  I do not think it is a good choice for White once you get over the visual appeal of the Nc3 "double pin".)


Fair enough - I never looked at this line that closely.

Leon_Trotsky wrote on 05/05/19 at 03:52:02:
fjd wrote on 05/01/19 at 23:49:09:
The Italian line with 3...Bc5 4 0-0 Nf6 5 d4 is just bad now though, right?


Is this not the Scotch Gambit ¿ Black can take with bitchop instread of pawn, and after a Cxd4 Cxd4 I think that White plays Ag5 and f4 with eventual equality. Or maybe I am confusing lines...


I normally think of the Scotch Gambit as being 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 (or 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 d4) 3...exd4 4 Bc4, but anyways, looking over Gustafsson's analysis from c24, it seems the best White can do (theoretically speaking) is get an ending that looks something like this:

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I'm not sure how to assess this, but Black should be at very least equal.
  
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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #11 - 05/05/19 at 03:52:02
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fjd wrote on 05/01/19 at 23:49:09:
The Italian line with 3...Bc5 4 0-0 Nf6 5 d4 is just bad now though, right?


Is this not the Scotch Gambit ¿ Black can take with bitchop instread of pawn, and after a Cxd4 Cxd4 I think that White plays Ag5 and f4 with eventual equality. Or maybe I am confusing lines...
  
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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #10 - 05/05/19 at 00:01:50
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fjd wrote on 05/04/19 at 23:01:56:

C) "Anti- Max Lange" with 5...Nxe4: Black has to be a bit careful for the first few moves, but beyond that it's relatively dry =.

It is already equal the instant Black plays d7-d5.  Black does not have to be any more careful than White.  In fact White is the one with the narrow path to equality while Black is the one with options. (i.e., Black can put the queen on h5, a5, or even d7; Black can castle either side or choose either Be7 or Bd6 in the main Qa5 line - everything is equal everywhere.  I do not think it is a good choice for White once you get over the visual appeal of the Nc3 "double pin".)
  

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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #9 - 05/04/19 at 23:01:56
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My understanding of the various options for Black is as follows:

A) Max Lange Proper: Probably Black is okay, but it's tricky and sharp - the better prepared player will probably do well.

B) 5...Bxd4 Gambit Line: White has compensation, it's tricky, but objectively Black is doing well, especially with the ...Rg8 move in the principal variation.

C) "Anti- Max Lange" with 5...Nxe4: Black has to be a bit careful for the first few moves, but beyond that it's relatively dry =.

D) 3...Bc5 4 0-0 d6: Wasn't covered in the original edition, Black loses some options in the Giuoco Piano, but that might not be a big deal. White can go c3 and d4, but I don't think it's meant to be better for him.

One thing you could do, if you want to avoid B, but don't mind C and are presumably hoping for A is 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4, and then 4...Bc5 5 c3 Nf6 and either 6 cxd4 or 6 e5, and then 4...Nf6 5 0-0. This probably also avoids variation D. 

Btw, I imagine the new edition will have a different line against the Alekhine, as in the original edition he went 2 Nc3, and just said that Black probably won't go 2...e5. Especially since Burgess is an Alekhine specialist iirc.
  
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