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Re: Shankland Chessable course on the Classical Sicili
Reply #76 - 07/13/23 at 18:35:06
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FreeRepublic wrote on 07/13/23 at 14:59:12:
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 Be7 8. O-O-O O-O 9. f4 Nxd4 10. Qxd4 Qa5 11. Bc4 h6 (instead of 11...Bd7) 12. Bh4 e5 13. fe5 de5 14. Qd3 Bg4

Hmm; the 2021 ECO addressed that via 10...h6 11. Bh4 (it had 11. h4 as leading to an edge for White) Qa5 12. Bc4 e5, and didn't portray it as better for White, e.g.

15. Rdf1 Be6 16. Bf6 Bf6 17. Kb1 Qc5 18. Bb3 a5= (Kosteniuk-Dembo 2005)

15. Bf6 Bf6 16. Rdf1 Bh4 17. Kb1 Qc5 18. a3 a6 19. Ba2 Rad8 20. Nd5 Rd7 21. h3 Be6 22. Rf3 Kh8 23. Rd1 Rfd8 unclear (Shankland-Popov 2015)
  
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Re: Shankland Chessable course on the Classical Sicili
Reply #75 - 07/13/23 at 14:59:12
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kylemeister wrote on 07/10/23 at 15:15:01:
17...b5 wasn't mentioned in (three editions of) ECO nor in NCO.


Thanks for all the info provided.

I think a different approach is needed for the main line starting with 11Bc4. Maybe

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 Be7 8. O-O-O O-O 9. f4 Nxd4 10. Qxd4 Qa5 11. Bc4 h6 (instead of 11...Bd7) 12. Bh4 e5 13. fe5 de5 14. Qd3 Bg4

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This position has been reached many times also. Fedorowicz analyzed four games for ChessPublishing. "White's control of d5 is the reason for the advantage" Federowicz. Indeed, White scores better in games played. However, looking at the position, Black's position does not look so bad. White's two main moves are 15.Bxf6 and 15Rdf1. After that, there are many ways the game can proceed. Perhaps

15. Bf6 Bf6 16. Rdf1 Qc5 17. Kb1 Qd4(N)
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15. Rdf1 Qc5 16. Bb3 Nh5(N)
keep Black in the game.

Earlier, 12h4 Rd8 is possible.

The main move is 11Bc4, but Illingworth recommended 11Kb1, and Negi 11Be2. These moves, along with 11e5 and 11h4, are covered in The Razor Sharp Rauzer by El Jawich. I checked and he improved on published recommendations.
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Re: Shankland Chessable course on the Classical Sicili
Reply #74 - 07/10/23 at 23:59:41
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I have recently taken a new look at the classical lines of the Richter-Rauzer. One little known line that bothered me was:
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 Be7 8. O-O-O O-O 9. h4!?

I'm able to report that it is covered well in The Razor Sharp Rauzer Sicilian (Chessable). I think anyone who answers 6Bg5 e6 7Qd2 with 7...Be7 should buy this product. Other White moves, on move 6 and 7, are also covered. White players might also find it worthwhile.
  
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Re: Shankland Chessable course on the Classical Sicili
Reply #73 - 07/10/23 at 15:15:01
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FreeRepublic wrote on 07/10/23 at 13:20:07:
There are more than 500 games from this position in Chess Assistant. Here the author goes with the extremely rare 17...b5. After covering 18Bd3, he goes on to the more critical 18Bf1 a5. My data base and Stockfish both indicate that 19Qg4 is best. Instead the author goes with 19Qd6.

Some history:  as far as I know, 17...b5 was a novelty in El Taher-Rachels, Manila Interzonal 1990. (Stuart Rachels, author of the book The Best I Saw in Chess from a few years ago, qualified for that event by jointly winning the 1989 US Championship.) The game was drawn after 23 moves, but afterward Rachels was dissatisfied with the move.

In the Sicilian volume of a Russian opening encyclopedia in 1996, Viacheslav Osnos gave 17...b5 as "!", citing El Taher-Rachels (with 18. Bd3) as equal when the draw was agreed. He also cited Almasi-Bentafrit 1994 (with 18. Bf1 a5 19. Qg4) as having led to a clear advantage for White, but gave 18...Rfc8 as "!?".

A couple of years later, Osnos and Peter Wells addressed 17...b5 in their Richter-Rauzer book. Regarding El Taher-Rachels they wrote that 24. Be7 would have given White a strong and possibly decisive attack.

17...b5 wasn't mentioned in (three editions of) ECO nor in NCO.


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Re: Shankland Chessable course on the Classical Sicili
Reply #72 - 07/10/23 at 13:20:07
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kylemeister wrote on 07/08/23 at 22:00:04:
I see that it covers 6...e6 7.Qd2 Be7 (hey, a change from 7...a6) 8.O-O-O O-O 9.f4 Nxd4 10.Qxd4 Qa5. I wonder if on 11. Bc4 it goes with the old main line 11...Bd7.


I went ahead and bought it. It is my second purchase from Chessable, my first being The Complete Open Spanish for Black. I can't help but to compare the two products.

I am very satisfied with the Chessable course on the Open Spanish. Through dint of effort and ability, the authors have produced analysis that I consider insightfull and reliable. I have spent some time with the product and will spend more time going through their analysis.

I bought the Richter-Rauzer only yesterday but, as with the Open Ruy, I've been familiar with the opening for many years. So far I have not seen any game fragments - simply analysis, which I think is a shortcoming.

Many lines are covered and I'm sure I will find value. However, keying in on my first major line, I am somewhat dissapointed.

After 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 Be7 8.O-O-O Nxd4 9. Qxd4 O-O 10. f4 Qa5 11. Bc4 Bd7 12. e5 dxe5 13. fxe5 Bc6 14. Bd2 Nd7 15. Nd5 Qd8 16. Nxe7+ Qxe7 17. Rhe1
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There are more than 500 games from this position in Chess Assistant. Here the author goes with the extremely rare 17...b5. After covering 18Bd3, he goes on to the more critical 18Bf1 a5. My data base and Stockfish both indicate that 19Qg4 is best. Instead the author goes with 19Qd6.

As indicated before, the work has great breadth and I expect to find valuable analysis in many lines. My impression at this point is that it's an additional resource but is not sufficient in one key line.
  
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Re: Shankland Chessable course on the Classical Sicili
Reply #71 - 07/08/23 at 22:00:04
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FreeRepublic wrote on 07/08/23 at 20:50:43:
It covers the Classical Sicilian but with a strong emphasis on the Richter-Rauzer. I don't have the course. I have no idea which Richter-Rauzer lines he covers.

I see that it covers 6...e6 7.Qd2 Be7 (hey, a change from 7...a6) 8.O-O-O O-O 9.f4 Nxd4 10.Qxd4 Qa5. I wonder if on 11. Bc4 it goes with the old main line 11...Bd7. (As far as I know, that has basically been considered slightly better for White for decades.)
  
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Re: Shankland Chessable course on the Classical Sicili
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Another Chessable course is:

The Razor Sharp Rauzer Sicilian

https://www.chessable.com/the-razor-sharp-rauzer-sicilian/course/29167/

It covers the Classical Sicilian but with a strong emphasis on the Richter-Rauzer. I don't have the course. I have no idea which Richter-Rauzer lines he covers.
  
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Re: Shankland Chessable course on the Classical Sicili
Reply #69 - 07/31/22 at 22:21:25
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The other main line proceeds:
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 d6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 Nf6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 a6 8.O-O-O Bd7 9. f4 Be7 10. Nf3 b5 11. e5 b4 12. exf6 bxc3 13. Qxc3 gxf6 14. Bh4.
Shankland, in his Short and Sweet course on Chessable, recommends 14...Rg8, instead of the main line 14...d5. He offers some nifty analysis following 15.g3
Instead, 15. Kb1 Rb8 16. h3 h5 17. f5 e5, "Black's strong pawn center prevailed, Ponkratov,P - Bacrot,E Krasnaya Polyana RUS 2021," ChessPublishing.
ChessPub adds "Worth attention is 17. Be2!?"
There is also 17. Bc4 Qa5 18. Bxf6 e5!?

The title of Sam Shankland's course is "Lifetime Repertoires: Classical Sicilian." The Classical Sicilian must be a sound opening if it is to be a lifetime repertoire. My impression is that even the most critical lines are adequate for Black. They are complicated and can be played for all three results.
  
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Re: Shankland Chessable course on the Classical Sicili
Reply #68 - 07/30/22 at 19:25:07
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FreeRepublic wrote on 07/30/22 at 17:59:04:
17...d5! 18. ed e5! is more active and gives black full compensation for the pawn.

By the way, ECO had 17...d5 as "!" back in 1997, leading to compensation for the material according to Van der Wiel.  (That Dutch GM had authored a B67-69 monograph, also from Chess Informant.  Anand did one on B66.)
  
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Re: Shankland Chessable course on the Classical Sicili
Reply #67 - 07/30/22 at 17:59:04
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kylemeister wrote on 07/30/22 at 16:50:31:
17. g3 d5 18. ed e5


Yes indeed, it's the same idea.

17...Rhe8 was played earlier yet. It seems a reasonable way to play, but probably leaves white better. 17...d5! 18. ed e5! is more active and gives black full compensation for the pawn.
  
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Reply #66 - 07/30/22 at 16:50:31
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FreeRepublic wrote on 07/30/22 at 15:08:38:
I think ...d5 16. ed5 e5 is an important resource to note. It seems to crop up in a variety of positions.

In this game, Stockfish computes that Black is better after move 16, in part because it later recommends 18...Nc4. SF prefers to insert the moves 16. fxe6 fxe6, before playing 17. exd5 e5. It computes that the game provides equal chances, SF 0. As Black is a pawn down, one could say "with compensation." However, I think the best evaluation is very unclear.

I see that a version with Kb1 and ...Bc8 (12. Kb1 Qb6 13. f5 0-0-0 14. fe fe 15. Ne2 Kb8 16. Nf4 Bc8 17. g3 d5 18. ed e5) was a main line (column) in ECO-B2 (2021).  It cited a game Frolyanov-Vorobiov 2007 with a later deviation, giving equality after 37 moves.
  
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Re: Shankland Chessable course on the Classical Sicili
Reply #65 - 07/30/22 at 15:08:38
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FreeRepublic wrote on 07/29/22 at 13:01:58:
Sevian-Shankland:

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 d6 4. d4 cd4 5. Nd4 Nf6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 a6 8. O-O-O Bd7 9. f4 Be7 10. Nf3 b5 11. Bf6 gf6 12. f5 Qb6 13. Ne2 O-O-O 14. Nf4 Kb8 15. g3 d5 16. ed5 e5


I think ...d5 16. ed5 e5 is an important resource to note. It seems to crop up in a variety of positions.

In this game, Stockfish computes that Black is better after move 16, in part because it later recommends 18...Nc4. SF prefers to insert the moves 16. fxe6 fxe6, before playing 17. exd5 e5. It computes that the game provides equal chances, SF 0. As Black is a pawn down, one could say "with compensation." However, I think the best evaluation is very unclear.

In the Kozul variation (9...b5), Black also often plays e5 at some point, but without having first played ...d5. You end up with an extreme color complex with White dominating the white squares and Black dominating the black squares.

Here with ...d5 16. ed5 e5, Black also gets a pawn on e5. White's a pawn up but both of Black's bishops have scope. The one-two punch of ...d5 followed by e5 blows up the center at a time when the Black rook and White queen are on the same file.
  
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Reply #64 - 07/30/22 at 14:38:06
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alyechin wrote on 07/30/22 at 08:32:56:
The most recent publication on the Classical Sicilian is from Dimitrij Kollars on chessemy. In the ML he reccomends 9...h6


A post by Isolani:

"Classical sicilian" by IM Benjamin Haldorsen on Chess24. I'm new to the Classical and didn't check much yet, but I enjoyed is explanations and choices of lines. Against the Rauzer it's 9...Be7  and 9...h6 as a second string."

I think the idea is that after 9...h6 10Bh4, the play can return to main channels, but White has been denied the move Qh6.
  
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The most recent publication on the Classical Sicilian is from Dimitrij Kollars on chessemy. In the ML he reccomends 9...h6
  
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Reply #62 - 07/29/22 at 13:01:58
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Sevian-Shankland 2022 seems representative of the 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 a6 8. O-O-O Bd7 9. f4 Be7 line:

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 d6 4. d4 cd4 5. Nd4 Nf6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 a6 8. O-O-O Bd7 9. f4 Be7 10. Nf3 b5 11. Bf6 gf6 12. f5 Qb6 13. Ne2

13Kb1 would lead to play similar to the game, while avoiding Black's 13th move alternative.

13...O-O-O

13...Qa5 would have forced the trade of queens and led to equality. Sam probably knew that, but wanted a more complex and typical game with nearly equal chances.

14. Nf4 Kb8 15. g3 d5 16. ed5 e5 17. Nd3 Na5 18. Qf2 Qf2 19. Nf2 Bf5 20. Nh4 Bg6 21. Ng4 Nb7 22. Bh3 Nd6 23. Ne3 Bf8 24. Nhf5 Ne4 25. Rhf1 Bc5 26. Bg2 Nd6 27. Kb1 Rhe8 28. Nd6 Rd6 29. Nf5 Bf5 30. Rf5 e4 31. c3 e3 32. Kc2 Re5 33. Re5 fe5 34. b4 Bb6 35. Rf1 Rh6 36. h3 e2 37. Re1 Bf2 38. Re2 Bg3 39. Rd2 Kc7 40. Be4 Kd6 41. Rg2 Rh3 42. Bf5 Rh5 43. Bc8 Rg5 44. Ba6 f5 45. Bb5 f4 46. c4 e4 47. Rd2 e3 48. Re2 Bf2 49. Kd3 f3 50. Re3 Be3

My engine says the current position is equal, but ...

Samuel, Sevian-Sam Shankland FTX Road to Miami 1-0 chess24.com INT Round 11.6 2022-07-12
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