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Re: Von Henning-Schara Gambit
Reply #14 - 10/12/04 at 03:40:19
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After 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 you can choose 2. ... a6!? going for queens gambit accepted ; 2. ... Bf5!? going for keres defence; 2.... e6 going for a main line tarrash or 22 different varations you can choose in queens gambit declined (Are these suddenly refuted perhaps?);you can play 2...c6 going for catalan; you can play 2. ... Bg4; you can play 2. ... c5; you can play 2. ... Nc6 going for chigorin; 2. ...f5 going for stonewall and you can play 2. ...g6.
If you are trying to say that you need to do more than just learning the hennig schara against d4 then that is of course true but the same is true for all non-system openings.
Nobody should learn budapest gambit or albin counter gambit anymore as it can be avoided with 2. Nf3; why on earth play latvian gambit if it can be avoided with 2.Nc3 or even why spend all the time studying kings gambit if it can be avoided with 1. ... c5 ?
And all those people who study the english are nuts as after 1. ... e6 it will transpose to queens gambit declined.
I would agree that I have troubles understanding people who study marshall gambit as they never get to play it but as you reach the hennig schara starting position in about 70% of the 1.d4 games then that's more than enough for me.
  
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Re: Von Henning-Schara Gambit
Reply #13 - 10/11/04 at 22:06:46
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<If he plays 3.Nf3 well then you play another opening.>
Such as? I am not going to study the VHS gambit, just to get some main line QGD or Tarrasch after 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 and 3.c4. This would make the VHS gambit superfluous, as such defenses also can be reached by 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 etc.
So it is unfair to compare my question with "what to play against 1.e4 ?" Or does Kamiel not have a decent answer?
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Re: Von Henning-Schara Gambit
Reply #12 - 10/08/04 at 20:51:23
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euh?
Isn't that like asking somebody who loves the sicilian: but what about 1.d4 avoiding your pet opening?

Don't tell me the position after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 is not often reached. If he plays 3.Nf3 well then you play another opening; if he plays 1.e4 then you play another opening too.
  
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Re: Von Henning-Schara Gambit
Reply #11 - 10/08/04 at 15:42:07
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Still, Kamiel, what about 2.Nf3 avoiding your pet opening?
  
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Re: Von Henning-Schara Gambit
Reply #10 - 10/01/04 at 21:22:18
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This really is a fantastic opening!!
I'm currently worth around 2150 but with this opening I have a score of no less than 6,5 on 7 and the draw was when I needed a draw to win the tourney.
With this opening I have beaten 1 FM and 1GM with no less than 2580. Statistically I would have about 1% chance to win against a gm with black but this opening did it. Also I managed to win all my games with this opening in less than 28 moves!

I post my games here (except the irrelevant draw) in chronological orde. In the first games I didn't know theory very well but the games show the spirit of the gambit as they all lead to wild tactics. All these games were long time control otb games.


[Date "2002.11.08"]
[WhiteElo "1860"]
[BlackElo "1933"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. cxd5 cxd4 5. Qa4+ Bd7 6. Qxd4 exd5 7. Qxd5 Nc6
8. Nf3 Nf6 9. Qd1 Qb6 10. e3 O-O-O 11. a3 Bf5 12. Qa4 Bb4 13. Bd2 Rxd2 14. Nxd2
Bxc3 15. bxc3 Qb2 16. Qd1 Rd8 17. Rc1 Ng4 18. e4 Nce5 19. Qc2 Qb6 20. Nf3 Bxe4
0-1

[WhiteElo "1863"]
[BlackElo "1933"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. cxd5 cxd4 5. Qa4+
Bd7 6. Qxd4 exd5 7. Qxd5 Nc6 8. Bg5 Nf6 9. Qd2 Bb4 10. f3 Qa5 11. Bxf6 gxf6 12.
e4 O-O-O 13. Rc1 Be6 14. Qf4 Qxa2 15. Nge2 Qxb2 16. g3 Ne5 0-1


White "1450"]
[Black "1927"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. cxd5 cxd4 5. Qxd4 Nc6 6. Qd1 exd5 7. Nxd5 Qa5+?
8. Nc3 Bb4 9. Bd2 Bf5 10. e4 O-O-O (of course this isn't really correct but it looked like fun, wouldn't have played it against a better player though) 11. exf5 Nf6 12. Qc2 Nd4 13. Qc1 Rhe8+ 14.
Nge2 Qe5 15. Be3 Ng4 16. Bxd4 Qxd4 17. Qc2 Qxf2# 0-1

Date "2003.03.23"]
[WhiteElo "2127"]
[BlackElo "1927"]


1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. cxd5 cxd4 5. Qa4+ Bd7 6. Qxd4 exd5 7. Nxd5 Nc6
8. Qe4+ Be6 9. Nc3 Nf6 10. Qa4 Bc5 11. e3 Qe7 12. Nf3 O-O-O 13. Be2 Bd7 14. Qh4
Nb4 15. O-O g5 16. Qxg5 Nc6 17. Nd5 Nxd5 18. Qxd5 Rhg8 19. Qh5 Bg4 20. Qh4?? (very big blunder but black was having most of the fun anyway)Qxh4 21. Nxh4 Bxe2 0-1


[Date "2003.12.07"]
[WhiteElo "2344"]
[BlackElo "2043"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. cxd5 cxd4 5. Qxd4 Nc6 6. Qd1 exd5 7. Qxd5 Bd7 8.Nf3 Nf6 9. Qd1 Bc5 10. e3 Qe7 11. a3 O-O 12. Be2 Rfd8 13. Qc2 Ne5 14. b4 Bd6
15. Nd4 Rac8 16. Qb3 Neg4 17. Bxg4 Bxg4 18. Bb2 Bxh2 19. Rxh2 Rxd4 20. Ne2 Qd6
21. Rh4 Rd3 22. Nc3 Qc6 23. f3 Bxf3 24. Qc2 Rxe3+ 25. Kf1 Qd6 26. Rh3 Be2+ 27.Ke1 Bd3+ 0-1


[Date "2004.09.06"]
[White "GM Gagunashvili, Merab"]
[WhiteElo "2580"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. cxd5 cxd4 5. Qa4+ Bd7 6. Qxd4 exd5
7. Qxd5 Nc6 8. a3 Nf6 9. Qd1 Bc5 10. e3 Qe7 11. b4 Bb6 12. Nf3
O-O 13. Be2 Rfd8 14. Qc2 Rac8 15. Bb2 Bc7 16. O-O Ne5 17. Rfd1 Nfg4! 18. h3?! Nxe3!! 19. fxe3 Nxf3+ 20. Bxf3 Qxe3+ 21. Qf2 Bh2+! 22. Kf1 Rxc3! 23. Bxc3?? Bb5+ 24. Be2 Bxe2+ 25. Ke1 Qxc3+ 26. Kxe2 Re8+ 27. Kf1 Qc4+ 0-1


  
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Re: Von Henning-Schara Gambit
Reply #9 - 05/04/04 at 16:09:21
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Or how about the Declined VHS Defense (DVD)?  Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Von Henning-Schara Gambit
Reply #8 - 04/02/04 at 14:11:30
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If the remedy is found by a Dutchman, the Philips 2000 Defence should be the correct name.
  
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Re: Von Henning-Schara Gambit
Reply #7 - 04/02/04 at 02:10:41
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Since we already have the VHS Gambit in the 'normal' move order, if you do find something good against 2.Nf3, maybe it should be called the Betamax Variation?  Wink
  
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Re: Von Henning-Schara Gambit
Reply #6 - 04/01/04 at 16:49:40
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Spakus,
have you already found a satisfactory answer to 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3!? This is the reason I never really studied the Von Hennig Schara Gambit.
  
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Re: Von Henning-Schara Gambit
Reply #5 - 12/27/03 at 20:37:53
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Yes, you're right and thanks for the correction.  I guess i'm so used to words ending in ing that I thought that's what it was.  Embarrassed 

Anyway,  I might start calling it the VHS gambit.  It's much easier than writing out von Hennig Schara Gambit on notation pads.
  
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Re: Von Henning-Schara Gambit
Reply #4 - 12/27/03 at 18:40:38
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I genuinely wish you luck with the gambit.  It is a truly inspired idea.  One thing though: it is the von Hennig (not HenniNg)-Schara Gambit Smiley  Call me a pedant if you will ...  Embarrassed
  
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Re: Von Henning-Schara Gambit
Reply #3 - 12/27/03 at 11:54:04
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Hi, thanks for your replies.

Alumbrado, your line is certainly a good continuation I have also seen many games that continue 13. b4 Bxb4 14. Qb3.  In fact this is the recommended line in most books/computers.

However, in practice most people don't play b4.  I suppose it is because they aren't prepared for gambit and because they aren't willing to part with their extra pawn.

Craig, thanks for the game you played.  It certainly shows how white can go astray.  I have played many games similar to it, but it is nice to see how someone else plays the opening.

Also, I have read the the articles by Tim Harding several times. In fact, that is where I got the idea to start playing the gambit.

P.S.  The reason I started this thread is because I have been a Grunfeld player for many years.  I played that opening because I liked the possibilities for attack.  However, more and more people have begun to develop good lines for white.  Exchange var, Nf3 Bf4 Bg5 ect.  So I am switching to the Von Henning-Schara Gambit.  I really like the positions that arise, and to only real way to aviod it is if white plays 2. Nf3 or 2. e4
  
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Re: Von Henning-Schara Gambit
Reply #2 - 12/27/03 at 07:25:57
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Not sure if this will be of any use, but this is a game I played as black in this gambit on IECC a few months back. White certainly didn't play too well, but it shows the sort of problems that white faces.

[Event "TH-M-2166.1"]
[Site "IECC"]
[Date "2003.07.20"]
[White "Jensen, Jeff"]
[Black "Evans, Craig "]
[Result "0-1"]

1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c5 4.cxd5 cxd4 5.Qxd4 Nc6 6.Qd1 exd5 7.Qxd5 Bd7 8.Nf3 Nf6 9.Qd1 Bc5 10.e3 Qe7 11.Be2 g5 12.O-O g4 13.Nd4 h5 14.Bd3 h4 15.Nf5 Qe5 16.e4 Bxf5 17.exf5 g3 18.Kh1 gxf2 19.Qf3 Nh5 20.Ne4 Nd4 21.Qg4 Ng3+ 22.Nxg3 hxg3 23.h3 O-O-O 24.Bf4 Rxh3+ 25.Qxh3 Qxf4 26.Rac1 Qd6 27.b4 Nc6 28.Rxc5 Qxd3 29.Rcc1 Kb8 30.b5 Ne7 31.f6 Ng6 32.Qg4 Rh8+ 0-1

As you can see, I preferred to delay castling, it probably isn't strongest but it's another alternative.

Also, Tim Harding wrote a few Kibitzers on this gambit, not sure which numbers, but if you go to www.chessopolis.com and to links and then openings, I believe there's a link directly to it, which saves having to rummage through the archives.

Hope some of this is of help,
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Re: Von Henning-Schara Gambit
Reply #1 - 12/27/03 at 06:36:18
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I think White is meant to be able to cope with this by playing something like (after 12...g5) 13.Nd4 g4 14.b4! opening up a counter-offensive aganst the Black king.  But if you have studied the position carefully you will certainly rack up some points in this line - especially in blitz!

The main problem from a Black point of view is that you have to find something else against move orders with 2. or 3.Nf3.  True, that rules out some of White's sharper options in the QGD, but that doesn't really help you!
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12/26/03 at 22:16:42
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Hi, Everybody

Lately I have been playing a gambit response to d4 that is somewhat off the beaten path.  It begins 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. cxd5 cxd4!?

Normally play continues. 5. Qxd5 Nc6 6. Qd1 exd5 7. Qxd5 Bd7 8. Nf3 Nf6 9. Qd1(Qb3 possibly) Bc5 10. e3 Qe7 11. Be2 0-0-0 12. 0-0 g5! (the g pawn is immune from capture because of 13. Nxe5 Rg8 ect.)

This line is the main line that represents best play for both sides and it favors black in my opinion. I believe this because of the prospects for attack, and because I have scored tremendouly well from this position.

Has anyone here had experience with this gambit and if so what is your opinion of it?

Is there any great divervence from the main line for white?

Or does anyone have a way for white to mount a strong defense/counter-attack after 12. 0-0 g5!

I keep thinking this gambit is too good to be true. is it?
  
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