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Re: The Fascinating King's Gambit
Reply #76 - 02/20/05 at 16:19:27
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I know the Silman site is supposed to be updated near the beginning of each month.  I know some new items were posted on Feb.2nd but perhaps they didn't do any new reviews.  I had thought one of the regular authors had done a review of Johannson's first KG book but now I don't see one listed so I presume I was mistaken.
  
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Re: The Fascinating King's Gambit
Reply #75 - 02/20/05 at 14:58:04
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What about trying these review sites: ChessCafe, Chessville, Randy Bauer, Seagaard. Especially ChessCafe reviews have a high reputation, and sending a copy there might turn out to be a very good investment.

Silman's site is great, but it seems that it has not been updated for months (the "last reviews by author" remain the same).

Another thought: if the book was available through Amazon then...
  
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Reply #74 - 02/20/05 at 13:47:18
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Good thinking!  Maybe we could coax a number of the GMs here at Chesspublishing to give it a look as well!
  
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Reply #73 - 02/20/05 at 13:16:40
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Nice review!  I hope the book receives some attention from some of the big sites.   


Well, I sent copies to the two biggest review sites, i.e. Silman & Watson - hopefully at least one 'em will do a review...
  
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Reply #72 - 02/20/05 at 13:02:51
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Nice review!  I hope the book receives some attention from some of the big sites.   Cheesy
  
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Reply #71 - 02/20/05 at 03:55:46
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The first official review of The FKG has appeared on the net, scroll down to the end of the page at:

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/DrMJDonnelly/bookrevi.htm
  
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Reply #70 - 02/19/05 at 20:50:17
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Since I wrote the email mentioned by TalJechin, I have some additional information on the Spielmann-Grünfeld game.
I can comfort HgMan: there is no confusion with the Vienna and Teplitz-Schönau games - they are well recorded. In the (in)famous and hilarious article Vom Krankenlager des Königsgambits Spielmann writes:
"Auch Meister Grünfeld konnte damit (the 4...Nc6 5.Nf3 Bb4 line - MNb) im Innsbrucker Turnier 1922 nicht viel erreichen."
In 2003 SH Postma published his booklet "Spielmann, de troubadour van het schaakspel".  His analysis is not great, but he has listed the tournaments and matches played by RS. We find:
1922, Innsbruck, tournament with 6 participants, RS shared first place with 3 wins and 2 draws. Postma refers to Albert Beckers "Internationales Schachmeisterturnier Semmering 1926", published by MA Lachaga, Argentina 1969. Becker was a good friend of Spielmann.
Now this leaves us puzzling. I find it hard to believe, that Grünfeld - always eager to refute the KG - would give a draw, not not mention resigning, in the final position of the game posted by Sean Patrick and TalJechin above. I also know a game Grünfeld-Spielmann, Innsbruck 1922, which was drawn in 14 boring moves. So where does that game Spielmann-Grünfeld with the King's Bishops Gambit come from? Maybe it was a offhand game? Spielmann wrote the Sickbed article in 1924. Was he writing from memory?
Or maybe Becker was mistaken?
I can only guess and would like to learn more. Still I assume, that the moves given above are correct.
  
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Reply #69 - 02/19/05 at 19:46:32
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 This is the line that I have a couple of questions on and about...

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bf1c4 Ng8f6 4.Nb1c3 Nb8c6 5.Ng1f3 Bf8b4 6.Nc3d5 0-0 7.0-0 Nf6xe4 8.d4 Bb4e7 9.Bc1xf4 d6 10.Qd1d3 Ne4f6 11.Nf3g5 g6 12.Nd5xe7 Nc6xe7 13.Ng5xf7 Rf8xf7 14.Bc4xf7 Kg8xf7 15.Bf4g5 Ne7g8 16.Rf1xf6 Ng8xf6 17.Ra1f1 Bc8f5  

 In Chapter 9 "THE SPANISH CONNECTION" on page 63 of your fine book you site the line given by Keres that is, in your opinion, flawed.  And so it is...  The game sited by everyone is Spielmann vs. Grunfeld; Innsbruck 1922.  Now for the confusing part... let us talk about this game for a moment.  Just the game score and the "reported" result.  

 If you look this game up on www.chessgames.com they have it as 1-0 but if you go to www.chesslab.com they list it as 0-1.  Hmmm... who is correct about the result of this game?  Spielmann would have saved the world from a  lot of future confusion had he played your refined move order of 13.Bxf7 Rxf7 14.Qb3 d5 15.Nxf7.... but he did not.  


I wonder if some of the confusion doesn't stem from the fact that Spielmann and Grunfeld played a number of games in the King's Gambit in 1922.  Different games, but I imagine it would be easy to transpose the results and confuse the games...

My copy of the The Fascinating King's Gambit shipped more than a week ago.  Hoping it arrives on Monday!! 


[Event "Vienna"]
[Date "1922.??.??"]
[White "Spielmann,Rudolf"]
[Black "Gruenfeld,Ernst"]
[Result "0-1"]
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 Nc6 4.Nf3 g5 5.0-0 d6 6.d4 Bg7 7.c3 h6 8.g3 g4 9.Nh4 f3 10.Qb3 Qe7 11.Nf5 Bxf5 12.exf5 Nd8 13.Bf4 Nf6 14.Nd2 0-0 15.h3 h5 16.Bd3 Qd7 17.hxg4 hxg4 18.Kf2 Re8 19.Rh1 Nc6 20.Bg5 d5 21.Rh4 Ne4+ 22.Bxe4 dxe4 23.f6 e3+ 24.Bxe3 Bxf6 25.Rh5 Rxe3 26.Kxe3 Bxd4+ 27.Kd3 Rd8 28.Kc2 Be3 29.Qc4 Qxd2+ 30.Kb3 Qd7 31.Re1 f2 32.Reh1 Qe6 33.Qxe6 fxe6 34.R5h4 Rf8 35.Rxg4+ Kf7 36.Re4 Ke7 37.Rf1 Rf3 0-1

[Site "Teplitz-Schoenau"]
[Date "1922.??.??"]
[White "Spielmann,Rudolf"]
[Black "Gruenfeld,Ernst"]
[Result "1-0"]
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 Nc6 4.Nf3 g5 5.0-0 d6 6.d4 Bg7 7.c3 h6 8.g3 g4 9.Nh4 f3 10.Nd2 Bf6 11.Ndxf3 gxf3 12.Qxf3 Rh7 13.Ng6 Rg7 14.Nf4 Bg4 15.Qg2 Bg5 16.h3 Bd7 17.Nh5 Rh7 18.e5 dxe5 19.Qe4 f5 20.Rxf5 Bxf5 21.Qxf5 Re7 22.Bxg5 hxg5 23.Rf1 Qd6 24.Bxg8 exd4 25.Qf8+Kd7 26.Qxa8 Qc5 27.Nf6+ Kd6 28.Qf8 Qe5 29.Kg2 d3 30.Rf2 Qe1 31.Qh6 1-0

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Re: The Fascinating King's Gambit
Reply #68 - 02/19/05 at 18:05:52
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Hi Michael,

thanks for the praise! Cheesy

My initial reaction was that inserting ...b5 and a3 should favour white as black's position is loosened somewhat and Ra8 may be tactically weak.

Just to see if black has anything fantastic I let fritz dwell on it a few hours, and after 13.0-0 Ne3 it eventually even declines Rf1 after 14.Qd3 (or the ugly looking 14.Qc1) - so perhaps white should insist with 14.Qd2 Nxf1 15.Rxf1...? Grin

So, after 11...b5 white must be ready to offer a little material for the initiative - something we usually don't need much persuation to do! Wink
  
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Re: The Fascinating King's Gambit
Reply #67 - 02/19/05 at 08:22:08
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This book is defintitely worth the asking price. The amount of work that has gone into the analysis is amazing.
As I had the good fortune of picking up my own autographed copy and play a few blitz with the author I can tell you that I almost fell off my chair when he whipped out one of those new Nge2 ideas - very dangerous stuff!
As a testament to the book's quality I will give one example:
In the Fischer gambit line I did not like White's chances due to Wim van Wugt's discovery: 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Nc3 c6 5.Bb3 d5 6.exd5 cxd5 7.d4 Bd6 8.Nge2 0-0 9.Bxf4 Bxf4 10.Nxf4 Re8+ 11.Nfe2 b5!?
Which I gave in CCN 55. It seems to me that White's best is the exchange sacrifice 12.a3 (otherwise ...b4 will be decisive) 12...Ng4 13.0-0!? (13.Nxd5 Bb7 is an improved version of the main line)
Now, to my surprise I found that Johansson does mention the similar 11...Ng4 12.0-0!? I think the inclusion of ...b5 and ...a3 changes little.
What do you think of 11...b5!?
  
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Re: The Fascinating King's Gambit
Reply #66 - 02/19/05 at 05:21:17
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Hi Sean Patrick,

thanks for your enthusiastic message! Cheesy

Almost exactly a year ago I was wondering the same thing about who really won that game, so via email I asked Our Man in Suriname, and MNb responded thus:

"Though I do not know of any primary source, this is probably the right course of the game:

Spielmann,R - Grünfeld,E [C33]
Innsbruck, 1922

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Lc4 Pf6 4.Pc3 Pc6 5.Pf3 Lb4 6.Pd5 0-0 7.0-0 Pxe4 8.d4 Le7 9.Lxf4 d6 10.Dd3 Pf6 11.Pg5 g6 12.Pxe7+ Pxe7 13.Pxf7 Txf7 14.Lxf7+ Kxf7 15.Lg5 Peg8 16.Txf6+ Pxf6 17.Tf1 Lf5 18.Db3+ Kg7 19.g4 h6 20.Lxf6+ Dxf6 21.gxf5 Dxd4+ 0-1

It is highly improbable that Grünfeld lost this game, as the final position is a technical win for Black. All the moves are both natural and logical, so I assume Spielmann resigned at an early stage, disappointed because his tactics did not work."

On the question of 18.Qf3, I think fritz gives a rather good case for black, e.g: 18...h5 19.h3 Qh8 20.g4 (20.c3 h4 21.Qxb7 Rc8 looks better for black as his extra piece should be able to join in soon.) 20...hxg4 21.hxg4 Nxg4 22.Qxg4 Kg8 23.Qh4 necessary, since Kg1 would be too exposed with the queens on. 23...Qxh4 24.Bxh4 Re8 Black's material advantage is down to a mere pawn, but he's only playing for two results... As long as the rooks are still on, the different coloured bishops are no drawing guarantee at all.
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Reply #65 - 02/19/05 at 03:50:42
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Greetings Mr. Thomas Johansson and all!


  Just recieved my copy of "THE FASCINATING KING'S GAMBIT" and I just love it.  I think you have done an excellent job on this book and look forward to your future works as well.  I have a question about a line in your book though, that is the source of controversy online in the somewhat confused world of the internet and seems to be at odds with Joseph Gallagher's assesment in his bible on the King's Gambit, "WINNING WITH THE KING'S GABMIT"

  This is the line that I have a couple of questions on and about...

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bf1c4 Ng8f6 4.Nb1c3 Nb8c6 5.Ng1f3 Bf8b4 6.Nc3d5 0-0 7.0-0 Nf6xe4 8.d4 Bb4e7 9.Bc1xf4 d6 10.Qd1d3 Ne4f6 11.Nf3g5 g6 12.Nd5xe7 Nc6xe7 13.Ng5xf7 Rf8xf7 14.Bc4xf7 Kg8xf7 15.Bf4g5 Ne7g8 16.Rf1xf6 Ng8xf6 17.Ra1f1 Bc8f5 

  In Chapter 9 "THE SPANISH CONNECTION" on page 63 of your fine book you site the line given by Keres that is, in your opinion, flawed.  And so it is...  The game sited by everyone is Spielmann vs. Grunfeld; Innsbruck 1922.  Now for the confusing part... let us talk about this game for a moment.  Just the game score and the "reported" result. 

  If you look this game up on www.chessgames.com they have it as 1-0 but if you go to www.chesslab.com they list it as 0-1.  Hmmm... who is correct about the result of this game?  Spielmann would have saved the world from a  lot of future confusion had he played your refined move order of 13.Bxf7 Rxf7 14.Qb3 d5 15.Nxf7.... but he did not. 

  In Gallagher's book he states on page 108 that after the move 17.Raf1 "... a winning position for white" and he sites the game played by Spielmann and Grunfeld.  Could it be that instead of the move 18.Qb3 in response to 17...Bf5, that the correct move to maintain the advantage is 18.Qf3? 

  I like this move 18.Qf3 as it leaves Black all tied up.  Why help the Black King untangle by breaking the pin on the f-file?  The knight is also, for the time being, pinned to the Black Queen.  Now g4 is still a threat and the lines that result look, at least to my eyes, pretty good for white.  Perhaps I am missing something though... what is your opinion on the matter?  Thanks for you time, the wonderful book and any insights that you might be able to offer about these questions of mine.   They are once again who really won the game Spielmann vs. Grunfeld and if indeed the move 18.Qf3 really is the move to keep the advantage.    
                                        -Respectfully yours Sean Patrick. ???
  
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Reply #64 - 02/17/05 at 04:02:44
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Hi Panda ,

I'm glad you like the book! Cheesy

Our three gods are indeed doing a great job, I doubt there is a single thread with say more than 5 replies, in which none of them has contributed!?

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Fernando Semprun wrote:

My results with the Spanish have been dismal (=1 -3) and with the KG are excellent, although I will stick to the Spanish as a means of learning chess...


I must say that I admire Semprun's level of ambition! Personally, I wouldn't mind winning without learning - especially if the alternative is losing and learning.  Grin

I know Capablanca had some nice things to say about losing & learning, but it was probably meant to console his opponents as he didn't practice it much himself...
  
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Reply #63 - 02/16/05 at 20:48:08
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I can only quote Alumbrado: *blush*
  
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Reply #62 - 02/16/05 at 07:39:54
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I have spent the last few days inside with the fascinating king's gambit, and must say that I'm a very happy customer! Cheesy

Lots of original analysis, thorough coverage and sometimes a little humourous comment that keeps me reading on! Smiley

I would also like to chime in with Semprun: Alumbrado and the other gods and frequent visitors here who are always ready to share their opinions, really deserve some praise. Together you make this chess forum the best on the internet!  Cheesy

Keep up the good work, gentlemen!
  
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