Very nice Mr Moscow ! can you give the first move of this Rb8, Qe7 line ? Thanks

Sacapawn: Yes, I think the the two options that I mentioned are improvements over lines Black has played more frequently in the past, such as the one mentioned by Paris.

Paris: I think that these lines are fairly solid, and easy to play, which is why I switched.  Personally, I am not as convinced by Black's other options against 9.0-0-0.  Non-9...d5 ideas are stuggling a bit; 9...Nxd4 has been refuted and revived a couple of times now.  I got tired of this, and some of the patches did not seem fun to play.  Playing (in the d5 mainline) 12...e5 is perhaps more enterprising than 12...Bxd4, but there are certainly more risks.  Black's piece play is somewhat lacking, and it wouldn't surprise me to see the theory shift on some of these lines significantly; Black's task is not trivial.

Moskow-Martinez: This line features 12...Nxc3, which I think is just a mistake.  This game is just one more nail in the coffin as far as I am concerned.

Edit: Here is a link to the old thread http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1078502585/ which doesn't deal with the Qb6-a5-c7 idea, but does show Qc7 directly, and so is probably worth a look for anyone interested in these lines.

Thanks mr Moscow for your fine psychologic point ! anyway Bxd4 with Qa5 + Qç7 is very close to equality. What is your suggestion against 9.000

After 14.Na4 Qa5 15.b3 Bf5 16.Qç5 QxQ 17.NxQ Nç3 18.Re1 Nxa2+ 19.Kb2 Nb4 20.Bç4! Re8 21.g4 "here we play for two results 1-0 or 1/2" Golubev in experts vs the sicilian

After 14.Na4 Qa5 15.b3 Qç7 16.Bç4 Rd8 for exemple 17.Rd2 Bf5 18.Rhd1 Rb8 19.a3 white advantage is small i agree. 15.--- Qç7 is not analysed by Golubev and maybe better than 15.--- Bf5

[first after 12.Bd4 Bxd4 13.Qxd4 Qb6 14.Nxd5 çxN 15.QxQb6 black cannot win even against a weacker player
and if 14.Na4 Qa5 15.b3 Qç7 16.Bç4 seems a little better for white
maybe 15.b3 Bf5  is near equality any GM thoughts about this position ? 16.quote author=Scholar link=1125873374/15#15 date=1140835752]I think that Black is fine as well.  This line has been mentioned a couple of times here, but not with any real analysis (beyond what you posted).  For whatever reason, most of the Black players here prefer not to play 12...Bxd4, even though to my eyes, it is more sound. [/quote]

Yes, there is reason to not take that statement as a fact or as the absolute truth. 

From GM Chris Ward--

"Regular subscribers will recall my annotations to Parligras,M-Cebalo,M (9th HIT Open Nova Gorica SLO 2004) which was prompted by much debate about the now very topical line 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 cxd4 4 Nxd4 Nf6 5 Nc3 g6 6 Be3 Bg7 7 f3 0-0 8 Qd2 Nc6 9 0-0-0 Nxd4 10 Bxd4 Be6 11 Kb1 Qc7 12 h4 Rfc8 13 h5 Qa5 14 hxg6 hxg6 15 a3 Rab8 16 Bd3 Bc4 on the Dragon forum. Golubev's writing is very honest and so much so that it appears that he doesn't actually prove a significant advantage here and indeed a lot of Black's defences are based on his own recommendations for the second player! Mikhail's section is worth the admission price on its own although having read through most of it I will say that Dragon players don't need to panic just yet!"

Also, Dragon  subscribers will look at Wards recommendation in his section of chesspublishing.com.

I think that Black is fine as well.  This line has been mentioned a couple of times here, but not with any real analysis (beyond what you posted).  For whatever reason, most of the Black players here prefer not to play 12...Bxd4, even though to my eyes, it is more sound.