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C03: Tarrasch - Guimard variation (3...Nc6) game (Read 31173 times)

BPaulsen God Member Offline I Love Light Squares! Posts: 1702 Location: Anaheim, CA, USA Joined: 11/02/08 Gender:	Re: Tarrasch - Guimard variation (3...Nc6) game Reply #6 - 07/13/11 at 13:48:58	Post Tools	Print Post
	Since it's a Guimard presumably his game score doesn't make sense because 3...Nf6 should be 3...Nc6.

	2288 USCF, 2186 FIDE. FIDE based on just 27 games.
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Smyslov_Fan YaBB Moderator Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Tarrasch - Guimard variation (3...Nc6) game Reply #5 - 07/13/11 at 12:58:25	Post Tools	Print Post
	Dom, your game score doesn't make sense. Download game in pgn format


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dom God Member Offline Posts: 908 Location: Toulouse Joined: 01/11/03 Gender:	Re: Tarrasch - Guimard variation (3...Nc6) game Reply #4 - 07/13/11 at 07:55:42	Post Tools	Print Post
	I had easy draw vs IM I know very well yesterday: 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Nf6 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.e5 Nfd7 6.c3 f6 7.Bb5 Be7 8.exf6 Bxf6 9.oo oo 10.Re1 Re8 11.Nb3 a5 12.Bf4 a4 13.Nc1 a3 14.b3 Ncb8= All moves except last two are perfect replay of what I prepared before game. Variation is the one I like very much again the Guimard, and extracted from Tzermiadianos book (I think,...,I have not my books near me..) giving Kotronias plan. To sum up quickly: - if f6 early play Bb5 and if f6 late play Bd3 - exf6 is available if Black has not the active plan with Qxf6 and Bd6 Reference game: 13...Nb6 14.Nd3 Anisimov-Monin,St Petersburg 2001 (Tzermiadianos)

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Paul Cumbers Full Member Offline Posts: 175 Location: Grantham Joined: 01/04/03 Gender:	Re: Tarrasch - Guimard variation (3...Nc6) game Reply #3 - 03/11/11 at 22:22:22	Post Tools	Print Post
	Paul Cumbers wrote on 03/10/11 at 12:53:47: After 3...Nc6 4.Ngf3 Nf6 5.e5 Nd7, I recently faced 6.c3 f6 7.exf6 Qxf6 8.Bb5!? (instead of 8.Nb3/8.Be2/8.Bd3 given above). Having looked at this line in more detail, I'm finding it surprisingly difficult to generate winning chances for Black, i.e. 8...Bd6 9.Nf1 with 3 variations: (a) 9...e5 - as played by Richard Palliser - but now 10.Ne3! exd4 11.Nxd5 Qe6+ 12.Qe2 Qxe2+ 13.Bxe2 dxc3 14.Nxc3 seems to give White an annoying tiny edge in a drawish endgame; (b) 9...a6 - as played by Guimard himself - but now 10.Be2 e5 11.Ne3 exd4 12.Nxd5 Qf5/7 13.Nb4!? with good play for White; (c) 9...0-0 was the move I tried, but I don't know what I would have done against 10.Ne3!, forestalling ...e5 (the game actually continued 10.Bg5 Qf7 11.Ne3 e5!). One problem is 10...Qg6 11.Bd3 Qh5 12.Be2 Qg6 13.Bd3 ½–½. Anyone have any ideas on Black's best response to 8.Bb5? ...Further contemplation, and now I think I can answer my own question! The key is by comparison with a game mentioned by John Watson on ChessPublishing: Matkovic-Jacimovic (Kladovo, 1991) 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Nc6 4.Ngf3 Nf6 5.e5 Nd7 6.c3 f6 7.exf6 Qxf6 8.Be2 Bd6 9.Nf1 0–0 10.Ng3 h6 11.0–0 Qf7 12.c4 b6 13.Be3 Bb7 ½–½ Note the plan of ...Qf7 (covering d5), and ...h6 (preventing Ng5), getting ready for ...e5 (which, ahem, Jacimovic was about to play ). So in my line (b), after 9...a6 10.Be2, Black should continue to prepare the freeing move ...e5, e.g. 10...0-0 11.Ne3 Qf7 12.0-0 h6 13.Bd3 Nf6 14.Qc2 e5 (hooray!). The g6 weakness doesn't seem to matter too much. Other bishop retreats on move 10 can be met with the immediate 10...e5: (b1) 9...a6 10.Bd3 (clumsy) 10...e5 11.Ne3 Nb6=; (b2) 9...a6 10.Ba4 e5 11.Ne3 exd4 12.Nxd5?! Qe6+ 13.Qe2 Nc5! exposing the weakness of the bishop on a4. So I reckon 9...a6! is Black's best response to 9.Bb5 (Guimard was right all along)


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Paul Cumbers Full Member Offline Posts: 175 Location: Grantham Joined: 01/04/03 Gender:	Re: Tarrasch - Guimard variation (3...Nc6) game Reply #2 - 03/10/11 at 12:53:47	Post Tools	Print Post
	After 3...Nc6 4.Ngf3 Nf6 5.e5 Nd7, I recently faced 6.c3 f6 7.exf6 Qxf6 8.Bb5!? (instead of 8.Nb3/8.Be2/8.Bd3 given above). Having looked at this line in more detail, I'm finding it surprisingly difficult to generate winning chances for Black, i.e. 8...Bd6 9.Nf1 with 3 variations: (a) 9...e5 - as played by Richard Palliser - but now 10.Ne3! exd4 11.Nxd5 Qe6+ 12.Qe2 Qxe2+ 13.Bxe2 dxc3 14.Nxc3 seems to give White an annoying tiny edge in a drawish endgame; (b) 9...a6 - as played by Guimard himself - but now 10.Be2 e5 11.Ne3 exd4 12.Nxd5 Qf5/7 13.Nb4!? with good play for White; (c) 9...0-0 was the move I tried, but I don't know what I would have done against 10.Ne3!, forestalling ...e5 (the game actually continued 10.Bg5 Qf7 11.Ne3 e5!). One problem is 10...Qg6 11.Bd3 Qh5 12.Be2 Qg6 13.Bd3 ½–½. Anyone have any ideas on Black's best response to 8.Bb5?


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jgluckie YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1 Joined: 02/26/08	Re: Tarrasch - Guimard variation (3...Nc6) game Reply #1 - 02/26/08 at 20:45:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	I didn't look at the entire game, but I'm always interested in Guimard lines because I play it as black. In my opinion, white didn't play the most testing move with 7.exf6 because it lets black play 7...Qxf6 and achieve e5 easily, with an active position. Did you consider what would have happened if white played the more testing (and more aggressive) 7.Nh4!? In my experience, most players who play 6.c3 in this line do so with the intention of keeping their position solid, as in the main line Tarrasch. However, the real point of 6.c3 should be to follow up with Nh4, threatening a dangerous queen sortie to h5. That's not to say this line is busted, but just something to consider for next time.


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saubhikr Senior Member Offline Chess is a cruel game but I still love it Posts: 332 Location: Milwaukee, WI, USA Joined: 10/29/06 Gender:	C03: Tarrasch - Guimard variation (3...Nc6) game 01/13/08 at 18:42:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hi, Inspired by the Watson's book (French - Dangerous weapons) and ChessPublishing games, I am playing the French Tarrash Guimard variation (1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Nc6) recently. Botvinnik once said that to improve your play, you should share your games and ideas with others. They will know your 'secrets' but you will be pushed to go deeper in understanding to win next time. Also in the process of discussion with others, you will learn new things. Following is the link to my recent game in this variation. Wanted to share with the group and looking for your comments/criticism/suggestions http://uncommonchess.blogspot.com/2008/01/analysis-of-robin-grochowski-vs-souvik... Note: I am also learning e5 as main response to e4 and wanee to thank chesspublishing audience for their encouragement for that. Thanks Souvik Roychoudhury Milwaukee, USA
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