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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #92 - 02/24/09 at 22:37:59
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Uruk wrote on 02/24/09 at 03:46:48:
I beg to disagree with Sawyer.
Add 12...Nde4 13.Ne4: Nd5, I see a pawn less for White.

As for 5.g4 Bg6 6.h4, wow. In the KG it is Black who must compromise his structure !
What on ...h6 ?


I am not surprised you disagree with Sawyer - I have lost count how many time I do.
5.g4 Bg6 6.h4 h6 7.Nh3 and 8.Nf4.
Also interesting is 6.g5 Nd5 7.Nxe4.
Ftr: I don't play the BDG, so I won't be as fanatic as some others. My only point is that White can reach messy positions playing like this. Imo 4...c6 5.Bc4 exf3 6.Nxf3 Bf5 is safer.
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #91 - 02/24/09 at 22:22:51
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Exchange light-squareds before landing on f5,

12...Bd3: 13.Qd3: Qa5

An illustration 14.g6? f6 15.Re1 0-0-0 16.Re6: Qf5! white pawns are all weak.
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #90 - 02/24/09 at 20:11:50
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@Uruk, on 1. d4 Nf6 2. f3 d5 3. e4 dxe4 4. Nc3 Bf5 5. fxe4 Nxe4 6. Qf3 Nd6 7. Bf4 e6 8.0-0-0 Nd7 9.g4, I have 4 "secrets" games of Leisebein against it. He played 2 games with 10.h4 here and 2 with 10.Qe3, the 4 games were draw. After 10.Qe3 he didn't face 10..Nf6 and I am curious what he would have played because it seems to be the best move of the position and it's not so easy to meet. I prefer 10.h4, and then 10..h5 11.g5 c6 12.Bd3 Nf5 13.Nge2 Be7 14.Ne4 Qa5 15.Kb1 were played in both games.
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #89 - 02/24/09 at 19:36:30
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...e5 comes into consideration but I'll try 7...Nc6
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #88 - 02/24/09 at 13:13:29
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Uruk wrote on 02/24/09 at 03:46:48:
I beg to disagree with Sawyer.
Add 12...Nde4 13.Ne4: Nd5, I see a pawn less for White.

As for 5.g4 Bg6 6.h4, wow. In the KG it is Black who must compromise his structure !
What on ...h6 ?


7.Ne2 
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #87 - 02/24/09 at 03:46:48
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I beg to disagree with Sawyer.
Add 12...Nde4 13.Ne4: Nd5, I see a pawn less for White.

As for 5.g4 Bg6 6.h4, wow. In the KG it is Black who must compromise his structure !
What on ...h6 ?
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #86 - 02/24/09 at 02:33:46
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Uruk wrote on 02/10/09 at 04:38:03:
Black could hold back ...c6, which increases the power of the f4-bishop.
He could play 8...Nd7 instead.

I found one game by Leisebein, a draw, but Black played a quick ...c6 after all.

9.g4 Bg6 10.Qe3 Nf6 and then ?


Sawyer gives 11.h3 c6 12.Nf3 +=, from which we don't get much wiser than we already were.
I assume this is your safe antidote to the BDG? As White I would prefer 5.g4 Bg6 6.h4, to reach the kind of irrational play you mentioned when you compared the BDG with the KG.
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #85 - 02/23/09 at 18:14:15
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #84 - 02/10/09 at 04:38:03
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Black could hold back ...c6, which increases the power of the f4-bishop.
He could play 8...Nd7 instead.

I found one game by Leisebein, a draw, but Black played a quick ...c6 after all.

9.g4 Bg6 10.Qe3 Nf6 and then ?
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #83 - 02/09/09 at 20:04:51
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2 persons did in a corr. server.

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Leisebein"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1-0"]


1. d4 Nf6 2. f3 d5 3. e4 dxe4 4. Nc3 Bf5 5. fxe4 Nxe4 6. Qf3 Nd6 7. Bf4 e6 8.
O-O-O c6 9. g4 Bg6 10. Qe3 Qb6 11. Nf3 Nd7 12. Qe1 Nf6 13. Na4 Qc7 14. Ne5 b6
15. c4 b5 16. Nc5 bxc4 17. Nxc4 Be7 18. h4 h6 19. Ne5 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Leisebein"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1-0"]


1. d4 Nf6 2. f3 d5 3. e4 dxe4 4. Nc3 Bf5 5. fxe4 Nxe4 6. Qf3 Nd6 7. Bf4 e6 8.
O-O-O c6 9. g4 Bg6 10. Qe3 Qb6 11. Nf3 Nd7 12. Qe1 Nf6 13. Na4 Qc7 14. Ne5 Be4
15. Rg1 h6 16. c4 g5 17. Bg3 Qe7 18. Nc3 Bh7 19. Bg2 Rc8 20. c5 Nb5 21. Nxb5
cxb5 22. Qa5 a6 23. Rge1 Bg7 24. Qb6 1-0

  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #82 - 02/09/09 at 19:54:58
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I see, he's scoring damn well with 10.Qe3...

But why nobody answers ...Qb6 to prevent d5 ?
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #81 - 02/09/09 at 18:15:14
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Uruk, Black player is a good player, and he is stronger than is opponent. And 11.Qe3! is best. Look at the BDG expert, Leisebein on chesslive after 11.Qe3, there is 20 games, could you tell me how much did he lose, and how much did he win?
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #80 - 02/09/09 at 18:08:30
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Well the game Fleuch-Szabolcsi, 1994 (you can find it on chesslive)
is not a good advertisement for this system.
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #79 - 02/08/09 at 16:06:55
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is it is one among several that lead to Black's better position that can be achieved if White plays the BGD gambit against a strong player that has done some homework.


drkodos, could you show us where are the others several lines that lead to a better position for Black?
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #78 - 02/08/09 at 15:49:16
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Still missing the point- if it transposes to the Staunton with best play, and the Staunton is equal, how does Black get the better position?
  
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