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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #342 - 02/14/11 at 04:50:07
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Well, first off, Amet congrats on the book.  Having your name on a book in the GM Repertoire series is a fantastic accomplishment.  I'm sure it will be well received.

I'm late to this thread, so please forgive me if this has been covered, but after the big main line 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c5 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.g3 Nf6 7.Bg2 Be7 8.O-O O-O 9.Bg5 cxd4 10.Nxd4 h6 11.Be3

Was there a final verdict on Spassky's 11..Bg4?  Critical seems 12.Qa4 Na5 13.Rad1 Nc4 14.Bc1 (I have a hard time trusting 14.Qb3 Nxe3) 14..Nb6 15.Qb3 Rc8 16.h3 Bd7 and now BPaulsen's idea of 17.Be3 looked interesting, meeting 17..Nc4 with either 18.Nxd5 or 18.Bf4.

Has the 11..Re8 line held up under the forum analysis?  On 11..Re8 12.Rc1 Bg4  13.h3 Be6 14.Kh2 Qd7 15.Qb3 Rac8 (15..Na5 is a novelty here, but I suppose 16.Qb5 is better for White) 16.Rfd1 and I.Sokolov prefers White.

If Black tries instead 11..Re8 12.Rc1 Bf8 Kramnik's 13.Na4 Bd7 (Keilhack apparently liked 13..Ne5 but 14.Nb5 Nc4 15.Bd4 seems better for White) 14.Nc5 seems like it may still lead to a White edge, at least, if my notes are right, according to Rizzitano and Sokolov.         
  
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Reply #341 - 02/07/11 at 09:06:18
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A big "thank you" for your inspiring words. I couldn't even imagine that QC would finally decide to publish my work. At first i was amazed when Jacob proposed me a small 160 book. Then, when we worked on it and new ideas were popping out all the time (and good ones!) this book suddenly became a GM Rep! And we said that we will start from move 3, but we realised that one of the great powers of the Tarrasch is that it's "Universal Structure" can be played against anything! Yes, against 1.e4 it is called "The French Defense" which would be a subject of another GM Rep book by QC, but against any other else you can find what to play in our Tarrasch book! 
So, this book will start from move 1! 

I had a dream some years back. To make extensive notes on what i was calling "A classical universal Tarrasch set-up" and use them to teach our students together with my beloved coach (who was also a team-mate, a mentor, a friend and why not, a big brother for me) Nikos Karapanos. Nikos is no longer in life. So, after his death (Aug, 2009) i tried to publish this work and dedicate it to him. Jacob was really kind and he accepted it. So, dreams can came true after all....
  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #340 - 02/07/11 at 07:10:31
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It is great to see an "amateur" player to write a book on the Tarrasch, especially on the GM:repertoire. If I only take on account the previous works on the GM series, then this book will be magnificent. The publisher checked all the material and approved it, good luck Ametanoitos and I wish you all the best for more high quality works. I will buy it for sure. And for me you prove something that it is the real beauty in chess, creativity!!! The "spoken" truth  it is only coming by the authorities and the "blessed" guys, simple people has also something to offer and tell and even teach the rest.
  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #339 - 02/05/11 at 10:52:15
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We know this game and it is analysed in our files. We don't know yet what exactly is going to be our recommendation in those miscellaneous lines because we have 3 or 4 solutions against each of them. We will decide soon though. Don't misunderstand me, these lines are good for White in practice but against the Tarrasch the main lines are more of a challenge from a theoritical perspective. 

My philoshophy is to give a clear recommendation and a back-up line against those deviations because this can be very helpfull for a club player (like myself!).
  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #338 - 02/04/11 at 13:21:48
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Should be theoretically OK yes.

Another White try to neutralise ...Ne4 ideas earlier is 9.Nd2 as played in a nice positional game by Harikrishna:

[Event "39th Bosna"]
[Site "Sarajevo BIH"]
[Date "2009.05.16"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Harikrishna, P."]
[Black "Sokolov, Iv NED"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D32"]
[WhiteElo "2686"]
[BlackElo "2669"]
[PlyCount "101"]
[EventDate "2009.05.08"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 c5 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bf4 Nf6 7. e3 c4 8. Be2
Bb4 9. Nd2 Qa5 10. Qc2 O-O 11. O-O g6 12. Bg5 Bf5 13. Qc1 Be7 14. a3 Rfc8 15.
Bf3 Be6 16. b3 cxb3 17. Nxb3 Qd8 18. Qb2 b6 19. Rfc1 Ne8 20. Bf4 Bg5 21. Ne2
Nd6 22. Nd2 Na5 23. Bxg5 Qxg5 24. Nf4 Nac4 25. Nxc4 Nxc4 26. Qe2 Rc7 27. h4 Qd8
28. e4 Qd6 29. e5 Qd7 30. a4 Rac8 31. Rcb1 a6 32. g3 Rb8 33. Kg2 h6 34. Rb4 b5
35. axb5 a5 36. b6 Rcc8 37. Rbb1 Rb7 38. Qd1 Rc6 39. Rb5 Rcxb6 40. Rxd5 Bxd5
41. Nxd5 Rc6 42. Ne7+ Qxe7 43. Bxc6 Rb2 44. Qd3 Qe6 45. Bf3 Kg7 46. Qc3 Rb8 47.
Re1 Rc8 48. d5 Qe7 49. d6 Qe6 50. Qd4 Na3 51. Bd5 1-0

In this game Black should be OK out of the opening also, but it is an interesting way of playing for White, and he doesnt take much risks.

  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #337 - 02/03/11 at 21:27:52
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You are right but that doesn't have to do with the objective evaluation of the position. In fact one of Flear's main lines lead to a winning position for Black if he continues with the right way!
  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #336 - 02/03/11 at 18:18:34
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Ametanoitos wrote on 03/16/10 at 22:53:13:

I had promised i'll be back with Mnb's proposal that is 3.Nf3 c5 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Bf4. I see this line discussed by Gm Flear in the QGD Dangerous weapons book where it is stated that 6...Nf6 7.e3 c4 8.Be2 Be7 (instead of the more popular 8...Bb4) equalises. A simper solution seems to be after the common 8...Bb4 9.O-O O-O 10.Ne5 (Flear's suggestion)  the untested 10...Bxc3 11.bxc3 Nxe5! followed by 12...Ne4


This a line that does awfully well for White in practice though, whatever the theoretical verdict.
  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #335 - 01/22/11 at 01:03:27
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Well, one observation is that a Yearbook survey from the year before that game was played thought that 22...Rxd8 should be slightly better for White, but that 22...Qxd8 is better.  Then Akobian apparently started blundering on the next move.
  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #334 - 01/21/11 at 23:50:08
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This is a great thread.

What is the theoretical status of the 9.dxc5 Bxc5 10.Bg5 d4 11.Bxf6 Qxf6 12.Nd5 Qd8 13.Nd2 variation?

I think I would like to play this variation just to give my opponents another chance to play 10...Be6 and enter into the inferior endgame.

A model game for White in this variation would be Atalik-Akobian pasted below.  I wonder if Black has any improvements and what the current theoretical status of this variation is.

[Event "39th American Open"]
[Site "Los Angeles USA"]
[Date "2003.11.30"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Atalik,S"]
[Black "Akobian,V"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2570"]
[BlackElo "2537"]
[ECO "D34"]

1.d4 e6 2.c4 d5 3.Nc3 c5 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.g3 Nf6 7.Bg2 Be7 8.O-O O-O
9.dxc5 Bxc5 10.Bg5 d4 11.Bxf6 Qxf6 12.Nd5 Qd8 13.Nd2 Re8 14.Rc1 Bb6 15.Nc4 Bg4
16.Re1 Ba5 17.Nxa5 Qxa5 18.b4 Nxb4 19.Qxd4 Nxd5 20.Qxg4 Rad8 21.Red1 Nf6
22.Rxd8 Rxd8 23.Qc8 g6 24.Qxb7 Qxa2 25.Qe7 Qd2 26.Rc7 1-0
  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #333 - 01/19/11 at 16:45:49
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Very good news - good luck with it! New book on the Tarrasch is a great idea.
  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #332 - 01/11/11 at 17:33:44
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Reply #331 - 01/11/11 at 16:50:33
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Ametanoitos wrote on 01/07/11 at 14:39:21:
Check the Quality Chess catalogue for 2011. Tarrasch fans are going to be pleasantly surprized!  Wink


I can't find any mention of a Tarrasch book on the Quality Chess site. Is there a link to it?
  

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Reply #330 - 01/10/11 at 18:04:06
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Just saw the book mentioned in the "skakistiko.blogspot" and checked also here. Well done and good luck with the book!

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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #329 - 01/10/11 at 02:26:21
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Yes, i also spotted the transpositional possiblility but here Black can play cxd4 quickly. The relevant chapter on Nf3 lines is not complete yet because we first were checking more critical lines like Taimanov's line -with a quick Be3- and Malaniuk's line -proposed also in The Dynamic English book with a quick dxc5+Qc2 before playing Nc3. In both lines White plays early cxd5. Maybe playing a quick cxd4 when the N is not on c3 and White hasn't played cxd5 is the most critical? That's why in the line you give me White waits with the move d4. I haven't check it yet but probably this is the reason.
  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #328 - 01/10/11 at 01:28:14
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No. It's just a line that once was recommended by Eric Schiller in his book on the Catalan (one of the very few that is pretty good). Accidently I also met it on Dennis Monokroussos' site. He wrote that Marin also recommends it.
Heading for a main line of the Catalan doesn't sound like an ideal solution; neither does playing a pseudo-Benoni and losing an extra tempo with e6-e5.
Monokroussos suggested 13...Qc7 (though he also mentioned 13...Qb8) 14.Be3 h6.
So maybe it's not a bad idea to add a small chapter - say two pages - on move order issues after 1.c4 and 1.Nf3 ?

PS: even if Markovich has removed it - and he was right to do so - I still will buy your book.

PS2: the more I think of it the more the line seems to belong to your book. 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c5 (are you going to deal with this?) 4.g3 Nc6 5.Bg2 Nf6 6.0-0 Be7 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.a3 dxc4 9.Qa4 0-0 10.Qxc4 Be7 is exactly the same.
  

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