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Reply #417 - 04/09/11 at 13:01:50
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Are you referring to the 9.Bg5 cd4 variation? In 'Grandmaster Repertoire Volume 1' Avrukh gives some arguments in favour of 9...c4 instead, and the Aagaard/Nikolaos book will cover these lines in depth. [/quote]

Thanks (Yes in the 9.Bg5 lines) - I'll have a look at Avrukh - but I assume it is written very much from the White side. Grischuk was still playing it on and off when I stopped - but he seemed to have switched to c4 from cxd4.

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Reply #416 - 04/09/11 at 12:59:20
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The sooner the book is out the better - and I can stop playing some of the rubbish I currently peddle against d4...
  
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Reply #415 - 04/09/11 at 09:38:19
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Playslikefish wrote on 04/07/11 at 14:38:23:
Quality Chess often publishes a PDF of the table of contents of soon to be published books. How close?

The process of writing and editing must be a life changing event for you- very exciting I think.



Sorry, i wanted to answer to this but i forgot!  Embarrassed

The PDF really depends on Jacob.He is an extremely busy person. He has set some strict deadlines about the publication of Avrukh, Kotronias and Karpov books (and the others to come sortly after that) and he wants to do the best he can for them to be and look great without delaying. He is also playing at the Danish Championship next week and he also runs a company, cares about his family, wants to exercise and lots of other stuff that could drive a person crazy just by even thinking of them! But i am confident that we'll work quickly after Easter and finish the book in May. 

And yes, i enjoy the whole proccess of course.

2 days ago the Tarrasch survived against a known 2650 GM in a tournament played in Europe. There will be a "N" less in our book in a topical variation because the GM with Black followed by advice and played my prepared novelty which was found by me almost by accident during an online blitz game i had many months back! I don't want to give away more details on this because the tournament is still on the way and i don't want to reveal the GM i second. The draw was very comfortable and this is great news for me. You'll never know if an idea you have can survive a practical test of the highest standard. Of course you'll see the game analyzed in the book. Again, sorry for not giving more details on this  Smiley
  
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Reply #414 - 04/08/11 at 18:35:19
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Reply #413 - 04/08/11 at 17:10:52
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My mistake. Jacob's games in the Tarrasch are not only in the Danish league but also in the Glasgow league.
  
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Reply #412 - 04/08/11 at 16:07:55
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There is another game with 11.f4 in the main line Tarrasch featuring a novelty we had found many months ago but Jacob forgot the main line of our analysis 1-2 moves after the novelty! He still won though. He has at least two games with the e3 Tarrasch and another 1 or 2 that i believe that are in the main line? If not i am confusing them with some of his online games. But it is a fact that he has 4,5/5. At least that is what he has told me!
  
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Reply #411 - 04/08/11 at 16:03:42
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Maybe you didn't mean what I thought you meant; in looking at Aagaard's games from the last couple of seasons, I only found one mainline Tarrasch (from last month), in which White played the unusual 9...c4 10. Ne5 Be6 11. Re1.
  
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Reply #410 - 04/08/11 at 13:11:14
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After 9.Bg5 c4 we will examine two aproaches for Black. The "traditional/old" method which is still viable but difficult to handle in practice and the "new" method which is stronger, easier to remember and more difficult for White o handle in practice. Jacob has used the "new" method in his games for the Danish league and scored 4,5/5, when in his last game he needed to win for his team to get the first place and the championship but he only drew with a pawn up!

Considering the amount of theory that someone avoids when playing the Tarrasch (exchange variations, Catalan etc) and the fun it is to play our "new lines" (which are completely unknown before the book comes out), i am recommending these lines for any club player.  Just be a little patient.... Wink
  
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Reply #409 - 04/07/11 at 22:49:17
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Nutflush wrote on 04/07/11 at 16:15:51:
Just to offer a divergent opinion - I found the Aagard and Lund book very disappointing. I have many books/DVDs by Aagard and in general I like his stuff - but this was superficial and the analysis isn't great.

Conversely, both Play the Tarrasch and Complete Defence to d4 (both authored/co-authored by Schiller) I felt were much better than his average output - but were written 1-2 DECADES before the Aagard book.

I stopped playing the Tarrasch in the early 90's due to the problems in the cxd4 lines. Na4 was a problem back then but also Bf4 instead of Be3 isn't trivial to deal with. The Aagard recommendation is far from convincing and one of the CC world champions recommends it in his "System" book.

This thread has made me wonder whether I should have a look at c4 with a view to re-introducing it as a second-line defence. The beauty of the TD was always that you could wheel it out against various flank/Catalan type move orders too - so it's useful to have in your repertoire.

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Are you referring to the 9.Bg5 cd4 variation? In 'Grandmaster Repertoire Volume 1' Avrukh gives some arguments in favour of 9...c4 instead, and the Aagaard/Nikolaos book will cover these lines in depth.
  

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Reply #408 - 04/07/11 at 16:15:51
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Just to offer a divergent opinion - I found the Aagard and Lund book very disappointing. I have many books/DVDs by Aagard and in general I like his stuff - but this was superficial and the analysis isn't great.

Conversely, both Play the Tarrasch and Complete Defence to d4 (both authored/co-authored by Schiller) I felt were much better than his average output - but were written 1-2 DECADES before the Aagard book.

I stopped playing the Tarrasch in the early 90's due to the problems in the cxd4 lines. Na4 was a problem back then but also Bf4 instead of Be3 isn't trivial to deal with. The Aagard recommendation is far from convincing and one of the CC world champions recommends it in his "System" book.

This thread has made me wonder whether I should have a look at c4 with a view to re-introducing it as a second-line defence. The beauty of the TD was always that you could wheel it out against various flank/Catalan type move orders too - so it's useful to have in your repertoire.

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Reply #407 - 04/07/11 at 14:38:23
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Quality Chess often publishes a PDF of the table of contents of soon to be published books. How close?

The process of writing and editing must be a life changing event for you- very exciting I think.

"Meeting D4" is a very useful book to me and I use it for most everything including offbeat lines updated with Chess Publishing. Not really interested in much more there.

What attracts me to the Tarrasch and why I play it is that Black gets 8 moves that I can understand. He is active. Jacob explained some of the ideas behind Bg5, c5 with the implications of queenside pawn captures. Further explanation would help. I look at this not to memorize lines so much but it just seems to me that after c5, Black needs to make something out of his mass of queenside pawns. [rambles of a 1500]

I too will buy your book.
  
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Reply #406 - 04/07/11 at 12:10:00
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Ametanoitos has been one of the most valuable members of the forum. He provides interesting, strong analysis with integrity. Just that should be enough to buy his book.

By the way, the national rating from where I`m from consistently lies 200-300 pts below FIDE rating, so I don`t find it strange that other national ratings do so as well.
  

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Reply #405 - 04/07/11 at 11:31:49
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No, of course i didn't take your posts here as a personal attack. They were all to the point. And the Short quotation was very funny! Thank you for your support.
  
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Reply #404 - 04/07/11 at 11:15:37
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Ametanoitos wrote on 04/07/11 at 11:00:33:
I really don't know what is actually my strengh as a player (i did Chess Exam by Khmelnitsy and i achieved a 2280 general rating but i think that this is supposed to be a US rating which corresponds to a much lower FIDE rating? Anyway, i don't really know if the author's rating system is reliable, even though i liked the book very much and i use it for my students) but i know that i'll never each it probably for many of reasons. The GMs i help don't care about my rating by the way! 


It's been a long time since I looked at the conversion formula, but 2280 USCF is close to 2280 FIDE (I think the curves meet at 2200==2200 and the further they get from 2200 in either direction the more they diverge). On the other hand, when I went through the book I also scored some 150 points higher than my actual rating... I think because Khmelnitsky included too many well-known positions that I simply recognized and didn't have to calculate.

It seems very possible that you could reach 2200 if you gave it a serious try. But it would take time (and money!) to play that much of course. 

I hope you didn't take my remarks as a personal attack. It's just the standard I apply to both myself and others, to not claim more than I actually have to show. Anyway your analysis is at high international level and that's what matters for the book! Smiley
  

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Reply #403 - 04/07/11 at 11:00:33
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I play about 10 games a year, most of them are not fide-rated. I want to play more and i really have tried to do so the past months. I actually managed to play 2 (!) fide-rated games till the last summer and this will bring me a new highest score at my elo in the next ratings release!  Grin It sounds ridiculous, i know, but this is the truth! A typical club player in Athens plays an average of 70 fide-rated games a year. In sixth months i have played 2 with a gained about 10 points in my rating. I really don't know what is actually my strengh as a player (i did Chess Exam by Khmelnitsy and i achieved a 2280 general rating but i think that this is supposed to be a US rating which corresponds to a much lower FIDE rating? Anyway, i don't really know if the author's rating system is reliable, even though i liked the book very much and i use it for my students) but i know that i'll never each it probably for many of reasons. The GMs i help don't care about my rating by the way! 

I really don't like to talk much for myslef (even though at some times i have given the wrong impression!), so i'll stop defending myself and i'll only talk about my work. But probably because only a few of you read QC's blog this is what Jacob said about me when he answered similar questions in his blog:

"Nikos is indeed not a GM. However, I am. And this book is not switched 50/50 with half written by each, but 100/100 with everything carefully checked by both of us. Nikos is a young man, but experienced as a trainer already, and quite successful as well. Beyond this he is a fantastic work ethic and is excellently organised.

It is quite natural for me to revisit this opening, and to do so with a partner with great expertise in it is quite natural. We have done a lot of work already and I am quite sure that Grandmasters will find the content highly interesting. Many of the ideas comes from Nikos – you could say – all the best ones."

and the link is: http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/blog/gm/happy-new-year#comments
  
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