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Reply #552 - 02/10/12 at 09:26:31
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I wonder if black can use Tarrash as a weapon even against the English opening?! As long as I can figure after 1.c4 e6 the only valuable deviation from Tarrash for white can be the Reti setup.. Or am i wrong?!  Huh
  
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Reply #551 - 02/10/12 at 08:57:16
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MartinC wrote on 02/09/12 at 23:44:16:
Someone would probably have to work out how to even slightly annoy QGD players first Smiley


I think that the system Gelfand played against Aronian in Tata Steel this year is promising despite the final result. I bet we'll see more of this in the near future.

@Gilchrist:

We don't know! As we stated in the book, theory tends to go in mysterious ways. In my opinion though, the 9.Bd2 variation seems more critical. At least from apractical point of view
  
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Reply #550 - 02/10/12 at 03:15:12
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If 6. dxc5 is to become the main line against the Tarrasch, as stated in the book, then what is the antidote that White has against the lines given in the book? After 9. Qd2 Qxc5+ 10. a3 Nge7 11. b4 Qb6, would the focus of extracting an advantage lie in trying to somehow keep the extra pawn and convert the material surplus in the endgame?
  
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Reply #549 - 02/09/12 at 23:44:16
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Someone would probably have to work out how to even slightly annoy QGD players first Smiley
  
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Reply #548 - 02/09/12 at 22:22:12
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Morozevich plays a lot of openings that many other grandmasters do not play, hopefully he or some other GM will start the trend of the Tarrasch at top level. I play the Grünfeld and follow top GM Grünfeld games, but it would be nice to see a change of opening choice at some point at top level. The Chigorin and Albin by Morozevich a few years ago lasted for a while, but eventually dissipated. Tarrasch seems much better than those two openings to me.
  
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Yes!  Wink
  
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Reply #546 - 02/08/12 at 21:10:32
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I am sure the Tarrasch will be revitalised at top level, and it would be very interesting if someone like Aronian or Ivanchuk or any other top 25 grandmaster plays it. Do you think this could be possible soon, Νικοσ?
  
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Reply #545 - 02/06/12 at 07:15:09
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No problem. I sent 2-3 pictures and they picked this. Please note the difference of the 2 fotos. The mix of interlectuallism (Jacob's foto) which corresponds to the classical nature of the opening and the brutalism (my foto) of the new generation which uses powerfull machines to find new ideas and check old concepts. 

The good thing is that after years, when i'll look at this foto on the back cover, i'll be reminded that we completed a big part of this book while i was serving my country in the Army.
  
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Reply #544 - 02/05/12 at 20:42:48
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The book is completely fantastic, objective analysis, the usual quality of the publisher, for me it is a real masterpiece. Tarrasch is back and someone must read this book if he wants to survive over the board. The only problem it is the photo of Ametanoitos Smiley , very open defense and against a good boxer, he will have problems.

Sorry for the bad humor Ametanoite!!
  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #543 - 01/28/12 at 01:46:44
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The endgame in the 6. dxc5! line with 9. Qd2 does not seem too difficult to play against. If then 9. dxc5 Bxc5 10. a3 is the more critical line, what should White do? It seems to me as if the only way is to somehow find a new move that will keep the extra pawn and absorb the pressure in long term.
  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #542 - 01/27/12 at 15:34:21
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That's one of the things I like very much about your book: That, as a repertoire book for Black, it also gives recommendations for White!
  
What do people mean when they say "Chess is the pawn of the soul"?
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Reply #541 - 01/27/12 at 14:05:25
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Exactly. I was talking about my own games as i wrote. We also give an exclam to 10.a3! and an exclam to 9.dxc5 Bxc5 10.Bg5 d4 11.Ne4 Be7 12.Bxf6 Bxf6 13.b4 variation with the big novelty later (that Qa4 move). But these lines are sub-variations of the classical main line, while 6.dxc5 is another line all together, and a new one that none has wrote about it before seriously (at least in the sources i had looked). Take for example the recent chesscafe article by Gary Lane and compare the analysis. According to him Black doesn't have any problem against 6.dxc5 and he can choose between several contiuations. We tried to be more objective though making this book usefull for players that want to counter Tarrasch with White. Another example is the recent Kaufman Repertoire. He recommends the 10.a3 move but he doesn't take into consideration the 10...Ne4 reply! So, i think that a player that wants to counter the Tarrasch really needs to look at our book.
  
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Reply #540 - 01/27/12 at 13:49:54
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You're probably right, Bibs, I took Ametanoitos' statement more general.
  
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Reply #539 - 01/27/12 at 12:18:53
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Zwischenzugzwang wrote on 01/27/12 at 11:41:41:
Ametanoitos wrote on 01/27/12 at 08:12:27:
Now, looking this from White's perspective, i can say with confidence that i'll never chose 6.dxc5 in my own games. Instead i'd chose 9.dxc5 Bxc5 10.a3 or 10.Bf4 which is a much more practical choice, with less risk and a more principled (classical) position.


But why do you then give an exclam to 6.dxc5 and even sort of recommend that particular line for White (p. 306)?


One would guess that the answer lies in Theoretical Value versus Personal Taste. 

I can be persuaded that the Berlin Wall and the Petroff are real challenges to 1.e4. But I personally wouldn't go near 'em. Life is too short.
  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #538 - 01/27/12 at 11:41:41
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Ametanoitos wrote on 01/27/12 at 08:12:27:
Now, looking this from White's perspective, i can say with confidence that i'll never chose 6.dxc5 in my own games. Instead i'd chose 9.dxc5 Bxc5 10.a3 or 10.Bf4 which is a much more practical choice, with less risk and a more principled (classical) position.


But why do you then give an exclam to 6.dxc5 and even sort of recommend that particular line for White (p. 306)?
  
What do people mean when they say "Chess is the pawn of the soul"?
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