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Reply #582 - 02/19/12 at 13:22:32
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In Greece we have no idea about sports like cricket and similar ones (are they similar?) like baseball, softball etc. We don't even understand why do they exist in the first place!  Grin (kidding!)

@trandism: thank you, obviously i saw that one when barnaby posted it few posts earlier. I am impressed of that review because he generally critisizes the bad things about a book when he sees them, but in our case he didn't say a single bad thing. We obviously don't deserve that. In the foroum we have already found that a certain line our proposal was not accurate enough, Lee Roth found a line that he should have talked about and i got an email yesterday from a reader that adreeses a move order issue we didn't notice. Obviously not a perfect book. But a future update will deal with those minor things.
  
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Reply #581 - 02/19/12 at 10:38:24
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I'd presumed its the Australian cricketer Smiley (who is certainly a legend in that context.).
  
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Reply #580 - 02/19/12 at 10:36:03
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Reply #579 - 02/19/12 at 10:20:27
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Yes, there is a chesscafe review by Hansen and this one
http://www.schachversand.de/e/detail/buecher/11273.html in German. I am not aware of other revies. If anybody has seen one let me know please. 

Trandism is right, the situation in Greece make us all feel bad. I had planned a big presentation of the book in my city but we cancelled it because we didn't feel like doing it. We watched in the news yesterday the big support we got from all over europe from simple people on the streets. I felt like i wanted to say a big "thanks". Actions like that make us feel more human, because the last months we are getting constantly the feeling of being treated like animals.

And "Gilchrist is a Legend" (by the way what does your name mean?) has been a great supporter from the beginning. A big thanks to you also  Smiley
  
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Reply #578 - 02/19/12 at 07:36:32
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Are there any other reviews of this book? If I had to rate this book based on the British university marking system, it would definitely be a 1:1 (first class honours).
  

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Reply #577 - 02/19/12 at 07:15:58
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I received the book a bit over a week ago; I've only studied the section on 9.Bg5 c4 but I'm extremely impressed. 

Ametanoitos wrote on 02/18/12 at 22:05:21:
I just noticed something. This thread is probably the biggest of the whole history of chesspub with 39 pages! At least in the openings section. Am i correct? Maybe Mr Kosten could answer that. The thread about Marin's GM Rep books is 36 pages big but by far more read with 100.000 views, while this one is "only" at 67.000. 


Both of those threads were started by me.  Smiley
  

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Reply #576 - 02/19/12 at 04:39:49
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Great book!  I started playing the Tarrasch just recently and my kids too and this has been a most wonderful resource. Want to thank the authors.  Fantastic work.

Here is a review from another site:

http://www.chessvibes.com/reviews/review-the-tarrasch-defence



  
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Reply #575 - 02/19/12 at 01:40:03
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I'd like to say that I'm very very happy that the book gets excellent reviews. I was very confident that this might be the case after checking the material that Nikos send me prior to the release, but to see it happening is an another thing. This success is one of the few pleasant things during these terrible times here in Greece.
  
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Reply #574 - 02/19/12 at 00:56:32
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Thanks for the quick response.  Before getting to the analysis, let me just say that the explanation of this ending on pages 109-112 is outstanding and one of the main reasons that I love this book.   

Ametanoitos wrote on 02/18/12 at 21:24:27:
So, after 22.Rc1 g6 23.Rd2 (your question) Black has the opportunity to play 23...Rb8. Am i correct? If 24.Bf1 Rb4 25.Rdc2 Ra4 26.Bxc4 Bx 27.Rx Rxa2 Black's King is close enough (Kg7-Kf6) to sequre a fairly easy draw. Another variation which is simple enough is 25...c5 26.Bxc4 cxd4 27.Bxe6 Rxc2 28.Bxf7+ Kxf7 29.fxe3 Ke6
 

I looked at these.  In your first line, White continues 28.d5 and I think that it probably reduces to a rook ending, where White has a 4-3 advantage on the kingside.  OK, that's a draw, but not something I'd relish playing for as Black on a regular basis.  In your second line, I might prefer 28.Rxc2 fxe6 29.exd4.  If 29.. Rxd4, White wins the a-pawn, so I think again there's an extra pawn for White, but OK still a draw if Black is careful.
 
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If this doesn't seem appealing because we are playing only for a draw (and i can understand this, but for some others sequring a fairly easy draw is more appealing!)


Yes, I think you hit the nail on the head here.  

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i would think of playing 23...Rd8 first (because we need now to play ...c5 after Bf1) and improve first our King because we want to avoid the above variation where the Bishop takes on f7 with check. This is one important detail in the position! That's why we say that we "improve" our King by putting it to g7. So, 23...Rd8 24.Kf1 Kg7 25.Ke1 Kf6! (instead of your ...a5 or ...Bd5) and if 26.Bf1 c5! when i am sure that Black is comfortable. Or 26.Kd1 Rb8! when we have a much more improved variation of the 23...Rb8 line because my King has improved while your King's improvement is not as obvious. Of course i could play 25...Rb8!? but i think that ...Kf6 is a bit more usefull than White's Kd1, so before i play the ...Rb8 idea i want to get the maximum of my position. Black certainly can play here for a bit more than a draw if he gets at the 'b' file, even if it is still level.


Ah, but this is better.  Your 25..Kf6! is good.  I might have a further look, but for now, I don't make any progress for White.  

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Reply #573 - 02/18/12 at 22:07:19
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Maybe soon more views means more grandmasters will play the Tarrasch?
  

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I just noticed something. This thread is probably the biggest of the whole history of chesspub with 39 pages! At least in the openings section. Am i correct? Maybe Mr Kosten could answer that. The thread about Marin's GM Rep books is 36 pages big but by far more read with 100.000 views, while this one is "only" at 67.000.
  
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Reply #571 - 02/18/12 at 21:24:27
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Thinking only nanoseconds about the question my first thought is this: after 22.Rd2 (page 111 of the book) we write: "Rd2 blocks the King's principal path of g1-f1-e1-d2-c3. Moreover it leaves the 'b' file at Black's disposal: 22...Rb8 23.Rc1 Rb4 with counterplay".

The whole idea of delaying moving the Rf8 and playing first g6-Kg7 is that we don't know where this Rook belongs, so we imporve first the position of the King. So, after 22.Rc1 g6 23.Rd2 (your question) Black has the opportunity to play 23...Rb8. Am i correct? If 24.Bf1 Rb4 25.Rdc2 Ra4 26.Bxc4 Bx 27.Rx Rxa2 Black's King is close enough (Kg7-Kf6) to sequre a fairly easy draw. Another variation which is simple enough is 25...c5 26.Bxc4 cxd4 27.Bxe6 Rxc2 28.Bxf7+ Kxf7 29.fxe3 Ke6, according to Marin's algorithm (see first chapter of Learn from the Legends) Black should be able to draw easily here because he has only a "-1" (minus one) score, or the score is even "-0" because he has the more active King and the more active Rook (who can swing to the 'a' file soon). 

If this doesn't seem appealing because we are playing only for a draw (and i can understand this, but for some others sequring a fairly easy draw is more appealing!) i would think of playing 23...Rd8 first (because we need now to play ...c5 after Bf1) and improve first our King because we want to avoid the above variation where the Bishop takes on f7 with check. This is one important detail in the position! That's why we say that we "improve" our King by putting it to g7. So, 23...Rd8 24.Kf1 Kg7 25.Ke1 Kf6! (instead of your ...a5 or ...Bd5) and if 26.Bf1 c5! when i am sure that Black is comfortable. Or 26.Kd1 Rb8! when we have a much more improved variation of the 23...Rb8 line because my King has improved while your King's improvement is not as obvious. Of course i could play 25...Rb8!? but i think that ...Kf6 is a bit more usefull than White's Kd1, so before i play the ...Rb8 idea i want to get the maximum of my position. Black certainly can play here for a bit more than a draw if he gets at the 'b' file, even if it is still level.

Again i am answering this question only by instict, which is extremely well developed by analysing this endgame for months! (I am sorry if i blundered somewhere. A more responsible author would check first his line with an engine!) I am reminded now of Tiger's chapter from Grandmaster vs Amateur where he expresses the opinion that the amateur can close the gap if he specialises in certain positions and gets the opportunity to play those positions against a Grandmaster. After spending hours and hours analysing this endgame imagine my pride when i was playing matches against Houdini or Rybka and never (or almost never to he honest) losing! OK, computers may be not the best in these technical positions where they go to endgames which are easily drawn (for example 3 vs 2 Rook endgames) but they still believe that they hold an edge, but anyway it is a nice feeling and i recommend you doing the same after studying this endgame seriously. Then if that appears on the board in a game of yours we'll be armed with great confidence and experience to play it. In a practical game this matters much more than the objective evaluation of the position (and in our case several Grandmaster we have asked confirmed that this endgame is drawn by best play). 

Really thanks for an interesting question!  Smiley
  
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Reply #570 - 02/18/12 at 16:38:10
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Let me add my compliments to Amet on a truly excellent book.  

I have a question about one of the main lines.  Apologies if this has been covered before.

The following position from Chapter 7 seems to me to be somewhat critical:

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Here, the authors look at 23.Kf1, 23.a4 and 23.f4.  

What happens, however, if White first plays 23.Rd2 (!).

This move is aimed against Black's c6-c5 break. If 23.Rd2 Rd8 then 24.Kf1 with the idea of simply Ke1, Bf1 and Bxc4.  Is there any way for Black to stop this?  24..c5 is met by 25.d5 and if Black tries the artificial 25..Bc8 then 26.Kg1 Ba6 27.e4 Re7 28.f4 looks good for White.  If Black plays a waiting move such as 24..Kg7, White proceeds with 25.Ke1 Bd5 26.Bf1 c5 27.Bxc4 cxd4 28.Rxd4 with an extra pawn.

What am I missing?

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To partially answer my own question, in the last line perhaps 25..Bd5 is bad as it puts the Bishop in harm's way.  After, say 25..a5 26.Bf1 c5 27.d5, Black may still be OK, although the swap of c4/d5 pawns will leave him with a weak button on c5?  This needs more work.
  
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Reply #569 - 02/18/12 at 14:28:34
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I would advise against ...cxd4. Transposing to the Panov is more than Whtie deserves after 4.e3. The ambitious try is 4...Nf6 5.a3 dxc4 6.Bxc4 a6. This is a QGA when 5.a3 is not terribly useful, though not entirely useless either. It's always nice to push for more than just equality as Black, even if White doesn't need to be worse.
  

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Reply #568 - 02/18/12 at 14:03:08
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This is a truly amazing book, it makes me wanna pick the Tarrash up for otb. So far I've only tried it in blitz with encouraging results.
A quick question if I may, what do you suggest after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c5 4.e3?
a) 4...cd4 5.cd4 seems to lead to a either a Panov, a Nimzo or even a QGA if I'm not mistaken, all of which are obviously not covered.
b) 4...Nf6 5.a3 could lead to a line of the semi-tarrash which is also not covered. Maybe 5...cd4 now? I seem to remember there's a line of the Panov with a3 but I might be wrong.
c) something else?

thanx a lot
great work!
  
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