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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #26 - 10/11/25 at 15:10:01
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Perhaps such was the perceived terrifying nature of the Exchange, that I recall someone here years ago wondering if the QGD was refuted.
  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #25 - 10/11/25 at 14:40:39
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MarinFan wrote on 10/09/25 at 07:46:03:
A lot of club players are terrified of the minority attack

Black has a minority of his own with f5-f4. Black can't rush into it as he will weaken his king, but it can be a source of counterplay after suitable preparation.
  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #24 - 10/11/25 at 08:06:00
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Semkov's book also covers the line I first saw in https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=2694742 well-known last game of 2024 candidates. The top players are using the solid structure to try out all kinds of odd things https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=2694742 maybe that one another version of Ne8 intending Nd6 discussed earlier.
  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #23 - 10/09/25 at 17:24:58
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FreeRepublic wrote on 10/09/25 at 13:49:47:
The queen's gambit exchange variation is so rich that one could focus exclusivly on the middlegame motifs,

Perhaps a better example of this is The Carlsbad Pawn Structure Revisited, https://forwardchess.com/product/the-carlsbad-pawn-structure-revisited
  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #22 - 10/09/25 at 13:49:47
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MarinFan wrote on 10/09/25 at 07:46:03:
I think 4...Nxd5 is a good option for black.

After 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. cd5 Nd5!? 5. e4 Nc3 6. bc3 c5 7. Nf3, we get a variation of the Semi-Tarrasch variation. I think some authors thought that White did better by deviating with 7. Rb1, but that may be a matter of debate.

...Ne8 has been mentioned on this thread. We get a "repertoire clash" after  1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. cd5 ed5 5. Bg5 c6 6. e3 h6 7. Bh4 Be7 8. Bd3 O-O 9. Nge2 Ne8!?
This is recommended for Black by Demuth in his Chessable course and is also addressed by Semkov.

The queen's gambit exchange variation is so rich that one could focus exclusivly on the middlegame motifs, for example Queen's Gambit Declined - Understand the Carlsbad Structure by Bojkov and Stoinev:  https://www.modern-chess.com/course/queens-gambit-declined-understand-the-carlsb...
The other extreme is to scrub the early moves to discern best play.

Semkov favors an early h3 by White, deferring Qc2. That has its pros and cons. h3 has often proven useful and sometimes White can do better than Qc2. Yet the Qc2 Bd3 battery pressures h7 and often prevents ...Ne4 or ...Nh5.

In the diagrammed position on post 18, Black can consider 9...Ne4. If 9...Re8, White again has the choice of 10. 0-0 Ne4 or 10. Qc2.

An early ...Ne4 by Black may not be a panacea, but should definitely be considered by both players. Semkov generally prefers to answer...Ne4 with Bf4, but he makes exceptions.
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #21 - 10/09/25 at 07:46:03
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Semkov's book is interesting in that he gives the most accurate lines first, and thinks the minority attack is the last resort for white. If possible aims for what old time books called the Pillsbury attack maybe, with Ne5, f4 and kingside attack.
                   It always amazed me what a good propaganda job white did in the Carlsbad structure. A lot of club players are terrified of the minority attack in particular, which aims for a really tiny advantage. Not necessarily achieved. Saying that I think 4...Nxd5 is a good option for black.
  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #20 - 09/30/25 at 20:14:56
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FreeRepublic wrote on 09/26/25 at 00:23:19:
I have to remind myself of that maneuver. Putting the knight on d6 makes a lot of sense.

FreeRepublic - You might consider having at look at the latest issue of New in Chess magazine (2025 #6), where the ...Nd6 maneuver is prominently featured in Christof Sielecki's Model Game column. He annotates the game Abdurakhmanov-Rasulov, Namangan 2025, where Black used ...Nd6 to counter White's minority attack before eventually switching over to successful action on the kingside. Sielecki credits the ...Nd6 idea to Petrosian, citing Bobotsov-Petrosian, Lugano Olympiad 1968. As the preceding posts show, Capablanca introduced ...Nd6 decades earlier. However, his employment of the idea occurred in games where its use against the minority attack in the QGD Exchange Variation wasn't necessarily obvious. In contrast, the Petrosian game was very clear-cut. This, combined with being played by the reigning World Champion against a strong opponent in a prominent event, presumably made quite an impression.
  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #19 - 09/26/25 at 00:23:19
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Nernstian59 wrote on 05/05/24 at 20:40:09:
He gives Alekhine-Capablanca, 14th Match Game 1927 as an example (presumably the first) of the ...Nd6 idea.

I have to remind myself of that maneuver. Putting the knight on d6 makes a lot of sense. Every trick/technique helps. Smiley
  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #18 - 09/25/25 at 22:09:50
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A new book on the topic:

Squeezing the QGD by Semko Semkov, Sep19th, 2025 (228 pages)

It's available at Chess-Stars and Forward Chess. The Forwardchess preview features seem to be down temporarily, but you can go to Chess-stars and review several pages in a PDF file. Semkov gives a lot of attention to early move orders including an early ...h6 by black. 

When black plays older mainline moves, Semko often recommends an early h3 by white, while deferring Qc2. For example he gives the moves.1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Bg5 c6 6. e3 Be7 7. Bd3 O-O 8. Nf3 Nbd7 9. h3!?

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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #17 - 05/05/24 at 20:40:09
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To give Prusikin proper credit, I paraphrased his description of the merits of posting a knight on d6.  In actuality, he specifically listed just about all of the benefits given by FreeRepublic in Reply #15.

Digging a bit deeper into the "Capablanca Formula", I pulled out my copy of Techniques of Positional Play by Bronznik and Terekhin, which Prusikin cited as the source for ascribing the ...Nd6 idea to Capablanca. The two authors point to Reti-Capablanca, Moscow 1925 as the first appearance of ...Nd6 against the minority attack.   

In the position below, Reti has just played 22.b4 and 23.a4, clearly intending a minority attack. Capablanca then replied 23...Nd6, and the knight's reinforcement of b5 caused Reti to switch to a central advance with 24.e4. The game was drawn on move 33. 

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Bronznik and Terekhin note that because the d-pawn is on d3 rather than d4 (the game originated from a Reti Opening), the efficacy of Capa's ...Nd6 maneuver against the minority attack in the QGD Exchange Variation wasn't realized for some time. The two authors trace some near misses from 1948 and 1950 where Capa's idea was almost implemented against the QGD Exchange. However, those instances are rather close in time to Euwe's Judgement and Planning book that was cited by kylemeister in Reply #12. I also looked through Euwe and Kramer's The Middle Game Volume 1 from about the same time, and posting a knight on d6 was explicitly given as one of the ways to counter the minority attack. Thus, the "Capablanca Formula" had become common knowledge by the 50s. 

I then recalled that Imre König traced the historical evolution of the QGD minority attack in his 1952 book Chess from Morphy to Botvinnik. He gives Alekhine-Capablanca, 14th Match Game 1927 as an example (presumably the first) of the ...Nd6 idea. The relevant position is 

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where Capablanca has just played 16...Nd6. Alekhine didn't attempt a minority attack (he tried for produce something on the kingside with17.Ng3), so perhaps the other authors didn't regard this game as the best example. König says, "The importance of this game lies in Capablanca's introduction of the knight maneuver to d6 which has since become an important defensive resource." Perhaps Capa remembered the ...Nd6 idea from his earlier game with Reti and tried it again a couple years later in a different setting. I'm not sure why Bronznik and Terekhin didn't point out this game in tracing the development of the ...Nd6 idea, unless it was because of the non-appearance of the minority attack. It seems a bit odd that they would jump ahead twenty years when they had an example of Capablanca himself playing "his" maneuver.

I'm afraid my earlier search failed to turn up this 14th Match Game since I was just looking for Informant codes D35-D36, which misses transpositions to the Exchange Variation that occur later. In this case, Alekhine didn't play cxd4 until move 11, and the game is classified as D64.



  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #16 - 05/05/24 at 15:56:52
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I found two Chessable courses with ...Ne8 in the QGE. One my Schandorff as mentioned:

https://www.chessable.com/schandorff-s-complete-repertoire-against-1-d4-1-c4-and...

and one by Demuth:

https://www.chessable.com/the-solid-queens-gambit-declined/course/225097/
  
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Reply #15 - 05/04/24 at 20:30:13
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Nernstian59 wrote on 05/04/24 at 19:55:56:
At the beginning of the section, Prusikin says Valery Bronznik and Anatoli Terekhin in their book Techniques of Positional Play credit Capa with discovering how a knight on d6 is well positioned against White's minority attack while also being ready to jump to e4 to join any kingside aggression by Black.


The knight is well placed on d6. It covers b7. That's handy if Black gets in ...c5 or trades ...cxb5. The b5 square is covered, discouraging b5 by White. The knight can go to c4. This may be preceded or followed by ...b5. The knight, as pointed out, can go to e4. I checked some recent games and was surprised to see Black playing ...Qc8. The follow-up made sense ...Bf5, with the bishop supported by queen and knight.

I can't say that I see a "system" yet. The merrit of ...h6, ...Ne8, will probably depend on the harmony of all the Black and White pieces.

One characterstic of many QGE lines is that Black can maneuver his knights!
  
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Reply #14 - 05/04/24 at 19:55:56
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I had a recollection of seeing Capablanca being credited with meeting the Exchange Variation by bringing a knight to d6. After a bit of looking, I found that Countering the Queen's Gambit by Michael Prusikin has a section titled "The Capablanca Formula", which discusses the ...Nd6 maneuver.  At the beginning of the section, Prusikin says Valery Bronznik and Anatoli Terekhin in their book Techniques of Positional Play credit Capa with discovering how a knight on d6 is well positioned against White's minority attack while also being ready to jump to e4 to join any kingside aggression by Black. Prusikin adds, "I have slight doubts as to whether the said discoveries are really down to Capablanca. Nevertheless, I found the title so concise that I decided to use it without doing any further historical research." 

I did a search of the Mega Database for instances where Capablanca had Black in the the QGD Exchange Variation (D35-D36). Of the three games found, he did indeed move his f6-knight to e8 and later to d6 in the 32nd game of his 1927 match with Alekhine. However, the maneuver wasn't directed against the minority attack since Alekhine was attacking on the kingside by advancing his h- and g-pawns. Perhaps the prominence of this game led to adoption of the ...Nf6-e8-d6 idea in other circumstances.  For example, it was played the following year in Spielmann-Reti, Berlin 1928. Something closer to the modern use of  ...Nf6-e8-d6 occurred in Eliskases-Winter, Hastings 1936-37, where White actually played the minority attack. It seems that Prusikin is correct in that Capablanca's "discovery" was not exactly fully formed when it appeared. However, his idea may have been an inspiration for others to try it and refine it.
  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #13 - 05/04/24 at 07:52:37
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kylemeister wrote on 05/03/24 at 19:25:24:
Speaking of getting a knight to d6, one might wonder just how far back that idea goes

I used Scid to search the ChessBase 2017 big database by Material/Pattern. Scid has a limit of 10 patterns so maybe it's not the best tool for this job.
  • wP 7-7 bP 7-7 
  • X wP c ?
  • + wP d 4
  • + wP e 3
  • + wP f ?
  • + bP c 6
  • + bP d 5
  • X bP e ?
  • + bP f ?
  • + bN d 6

Found 10,676 games from 1889 - 2016. Highlights from the results.
  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #12 - 05/03/24 at 19:25:24
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Speaking of getting a knight to d6, one might wonder just how far back that idea goes (in at least some such positions). I recall it from Euwe's "Judgment and Planning" book from the '50s.
  
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