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Re: The Benko Bible Volume 1
Reply #26 - 12/16/25 at 00:55:48
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TonyRo wrote on 12/12/25 at 04:20:31:
Yeah I honestly would prefer the King Walk to the Perunovic.

Its a different kettle of fish as they say, might be interesting for anybody playing Benko in modern times to have both options available to keep opponents guessing
  
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Yeah I honestly would prefer the King Walk to the Perunovic.
  
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Re: The Benko Bible Volume 1
Reply #24 - 12/11/25 at 23:52:17
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TonyRo wrote on 12/11/25 at 15:22:40:
I spent many months recently investigating the Benko and mostly discovered that if you want to stay in fianchetto territory and not go ...e6, you might as well just allow the King Walk.


The Perunovic move order would do  the trick no? I grant you that brings its own set of new problems  Undecided
  
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Re: The Benko Bible Volume 1
Reply #23 - 12/11/25 at 15:22:40
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I spent many months recently investigating the Benko and mostly discovered that if you want to stay in fianchetto territory and not go ...e6, you might as well just allow the King Walk. It would be hard to expound upon why easily.  Cheesy The depressing thing for me is 5.e3 - not because it's a refutation, but basically because I don't find it thematic or all that fun to play against. 

Last time I checked it's a draw, Black just has to be precise if White is also very precise. My experience in online games is that people basically know very little, at least up to the lichess 2300-2400 level - I can't speak for beyond that. My score with the Benko is one of the highest (61%) out of all the 1.d4 defenses I've looked at, and I've probably studied it the least. 

The ...e6 lines are also decent and worth looking at, I just think it's weird to even really call it a Benko. I feel like most players will like one approach or the other but possibly not both.
  
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Re: The Benko Bible Volume 1
Reply #22 - 12/11/25 at 04:28:06
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 12/10/25 at 12:58:17:
Keano wrote on 12/10/25 at 00:46:32:
Black is not lost but its no fun

That could be the epitaph of every "interesting" black opening.

Engine analysis is a fact of life, the only saving grace is nobody can remember it all. The real question is not "what is the engine eval?". It is "if one of the players deviates, either by prepared N or forgetting or even just not knowing the line, which color has a harder time finding good moves?". Another issue is, if everybody played the same solid openings, white's memory load would be even lighter.

I've considered adding the Benko to my repertoire, but there's a couple of lines that give me pause, the king walk being one of them. At the moment I have one better defense and one worse defense, so the Benko might be an upgrade for my "interesting" choice, it's the meta considerations above I am not sure about.


Quite agree with all that, sorry didnt make it very clear earlier, my surprise is that kotronias does not go for one of the modern ways to avoid the artificial castle line, or maybe he also has this option? Seems from this thread he is going down the old classic Benko school
  
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Re: The Benko Bible Volume 1
Reply #21 - 12/10/25 at 12:58:17
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Keano wrote on 12/10/25 at 00:46:32:
Black is not lost but its no fun

That could be the epitaph of every "interesting" black opening.

Engine analysis is a fact of life, the only saving grace is nobody can remember it all. The real question is not "what is the engine eval?". It is "if one of the players deviates, either by prepared N or forgetting or even just not knowing the line, which color has a harder time finding good moves?". Another issue is, if everybody played the same solid openings, white's memory load would be even lighter.

I've considered adding the Benko to my repertoire, but there's a couple of lines that give me pause, the king walk being one of them. At the moment I have one better defense and one worse defense, so the Benko might be an upgrade for my "interesting" choice, it's the meta considerations above I am not sure about.
  
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Reply #20 - 12/10/25 at 00:46:32
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somewhat surprised, I thought the artificial castle variation was the modern way to put the Benko out of business, I mean Black is not lost but its no fun
  
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Reply #19 - 10/11/25 at 16:10:40
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 10/08/25 at 23:07:01:

I don't suppose we will be seeing ask-fluffy.com any time soon, but Avrukh has some other contributors on his site. It wouldn't hurt to send an email and ask about conditions.


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Reply #18 - 10/08/25 at 23:24:49
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TonyRo wrote on 10/08/25 at 16:20:08:
Gotta cover the whole market!

White repertoire vs black repertoire reminds me of Mad Magazine's Spy vs Spy. I see several ways out. Pessimism a la Petrosian (where I usually end up): White repertoire gives no advantage and black repertoire doesn't equalize. Willful blindness, names withheld: Black repertoire carefully doesn't mention the advantageous white line(s), similar gap in white repertoire. Avrukh is following the theoretician's way: Yesterday white was better, today we have improvements showing black equalizes, tune in tomorrow for more improvements when white will be better again.
  
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Re: The Benko Bible Volume 1
Reply #17 - 10/08/25 at 23:07:01
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Here's the video for the white 5.e3 course.

There were 27 courses released on the same date, probably some technical reason for that, but the "most aggressive" Benko video makes it clear the black course is later.

I don't suppose we will be seeing ask-fluffy.com any time soon, but Avrukh has some other contributors on his site. It wouldn't hurt to send an email and ask about conditions.
  
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Reply #16 - 10/08/25 at 16:20:08
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fluffy wrote on 10/08/25 at 15:53:03:
There is also a course for White on 5.e5 against the Benko. Grin And they were released the same day. I'll check the videos though. Thanks AB.

Gotta cover the whole market!  Cheesy

fluffy wrote on 10/08/25 at 15:53:03:
I am old so I download TWIC, but even that is polluted by chessdotcom games. I really think Chessbase should have a filter by time control.

I do too - it used to be much easier with the TWIC utility that would simply allow you to click boxes for every issue you wanted to download and it would download them all and merge them into one PGN for you. FWIW, Chessbase does have ways to filter out blitz and rapid games using a search masK: https://help.chessbase.com/CBase/15/Eng/index.html?filtering_a_games_list.htm

Effectiveness may vary. I maintain the lichess Master's DB (which contains only high quality games between strong players, no online blitz, etc, and generally just have to use search terms like "Tuesday", "chess.com", etc, to pick them all out. It's a real delight.  Cry

fluffy wrote on 10/08/25 at 15:53:03:
It seems that if I want a bad position, the King's Indian is 'enough'.

This is a true KID player.
  
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Re: The Benko Bible Volume 1
Reply #15 - 10/08/25 at 15:53:03
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Ah, so Avrukh has such courses. All you get is a blurb though unless you buy the whole thing? There is also a course for White on 5.e5 against the Benko. Grin And they were released the same day. I'll check the videos though. Thanks AB.

The Lichess still means nothing to me. Blitz games, who cares. I am old so I download TWIC, but even that is polluted by chessdotcom games. I really think Chessbase should have a filter by time control.

It seems that if I want a bad position, the King's Indian is 'enough'.
  
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Re: The Benko Bible Volume 1
Reply #14 - 10/07/25 at 04:31:52
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 10/06/25 at 21:05:50:
Black most aggressive opening against 1.d4 - Benko Gambit. Full repertoire
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https://ask-avrukh.com/ShowPgn.aspx?id=89

Replying to myself.
Avrukh also introduces his courses on youtube.

Coverage of 5.e3 is from 11:45 to 16:24 of the first video.
  
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Re: The Benko Bible Volume 1
Reply #13 - 10/06/25 at 23:12:39
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fluffy wrote on 10/06/25 at 20:23:35:
The Lichess database means little to me; I mean, the Englund Gambit is popular right?!

Sorry, I wasn't clear. The lichess database just crossed 7 billion games, so it can be very useful in gathering information on less popular lines, since even those frequently have a large number of games played. 

I would agree that I think most people's issue (mine included) with 5.e3 is not the theoretical verdict, which seems just about as formidable as anything, but the fact that it's tough to get "the Benko position". Probably checking out the Avrukh or Kotronias coverage of the ...g6 lines would be your best bet.
  
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Re: The Benko Bible Volume 1
Reply #12 - 10/06/25 at 21:05:50
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fluffy wrote on 10/06/25 at 20:23:35:
Avrukh has something for Black on the Benko?

Black most aggressive opening against 1.d4 - Benko Gambit. Full repertoire
2025/03/06
https://ask-avrukh.com/ShowPgn.aspx?id=89
  
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