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Re: Bogo-Indian: where to start learning?
Reply #23 - 02/18/10 at 14:42:20
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Having played 4...Qe7 and 4...a5, I am now taking a liking to 4...c5 myself. Inspired by a recommendation on another thread, I bought a copy of The New Bogo-Indian by Shaun Taulbut and I have to say it is a very useful book. Good coverage of key ideas and plans, historical development and plenty of annotated games. 

I keep meaning to give up the Bogo for the QID or the QGD, but have not yet made the switch. Great thing about the Bogo is its lack of theoretical depth. I just hope Avrukh goes gentle on it in GM Repertoire 2.
  

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Re: Bogo-Indian: where to start learning?
Reply #22 - 02/18/10 at 13:32:37
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The Pedersen book is much better IMHO than the other alternatives

Personally I Play the 4...c5 line
  
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Re: Bogo-Indian: where to start learning?
Reply #21 - 02/04/10 at 00:59:15
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White does have a few independent options delaying the development of the king knight and aiming for an early e4 with the support of the bishop on g2. But are these options better than transposition to the regular Bogo? Probably not.
  

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Re: Bogo-Indian: where to start learning?
Reply #20 - 02/03/10 at 14:02:55
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I have both the CD by Schipkov and a trivial question. 
Can White do, after 3.g3 Bb4+,  anything better than transpose into a regular Bogo?
  

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Re: Bogo-Indian: where to start learning?
Reply #19 - 05/19/08 at 08:50:06
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I have Dzindzi, Pederssen and Schipkov..

I have to say all 3 of them are decent.. 
Dzindzi is - as always - a little bit superficial and at some point you think "This guy has refuted 1.d4!!"  Grin but he has one big advantage.. You can learn his recommendations in 2 hours because they share common ideas in all lines.. That's a huge plus for someone not wanting to invest too much time..

Pederseen is OK I guess.. The book is a little tough though.. It may be the best bogo book however, shortage of books on this opening is apparent..

Schipkov is great!! 

To sum up, a good approach would be to start with dzindzi, go online and find someone who wants to play 15 0 unrated as white playing bogo different lines, or get a d4 white player friend of yours for some training session..

Next step, is to study Schipkov and only have Pederseen as a reference and something to read in the toilets, airplanes, trains and buses  Cool

  
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Re: Bogo-Indian: where to start learning?
Reply #18 - 05/18/08 at 08:00:52
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I recommend chesslecture.com

They have a nice video serie on the Bogo by GM Eugene Perelshtein.

But you have to pay to access that site. But it is well worth it.

Ihope this site could start with videos instead of text material. Or at least have both.






  

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Reply #17 - 03/28/08 at 16:53:59
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I received the Chessbase CD on the Bogo-Indian by Schipkov the other day.  He devotes an entire chapter of the CD to 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Bb4+ 4.Bd2 Qe7 5.g3 Nc6 6.Nc3.

I haven't had a chance to play through this chapter yet, and even if I did, I'm not a good enough player to tell you if his conclusions are valid or not.
  
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Re: Bogo-Indian: where to start learning?
Reply #16 - 03/18/08 at 03:30:00
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Thank you. I always thought the other way round - to avoid 6.Nc3 Black may play 5...Bxd2+ or 4...Bxd2+. So Black has to make a concession in either case.
Your explanation is also helpful for another point that has bothered me somewhat: why does Williams (and others) recommend 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.g3 e6 4.Bg2 Bb4+ 5.Bd2 Qe7 allowing 6.Nc3 or 7.Nc3 but not 5...Bxd2+ and 6...Qe7 ?
The ...Nc6; Bxd2+; Qb4; idea is not relevant in this Dutch line. So here exchanging on d2 seems to be slightly more precise indeed.
  

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Re: Bogo-Indian: where to start learning?
Reply #15 - 03/18/08 at 03:19:16
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Do you mean 4...Bd2 or 5.g3 Bd2?

In either case, Black has a solid position, but White should be slightly better. White recaptures with the queen and plays Nc3. The idea of 5...Nc6 is to meet ...Bd2 Qd2 with ...Ne4! followed by ...Qb4, forcing a concession from White of some sort. That explains the move 6.Nc3 by White.

  

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Re: Bogo-Indian: where to start learning?
Reply #14 - 03/17/08 at 23:51:11
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DoubledPawns wrote on 02/09/08 at 20:31:13:
I agree that 6.Nc3 is the critical line, but in the main line 6...Bc3 7.Bc3 Ne4 8.Rc1 0-0 9.Bg2 d6 Black has a solid position and White has only a slight edge at best.

Can't Black avoid this by exchanging on d2 at an earlier stage? What disadvantages does this have?
  

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Reply #13 - 03/17/08 at 01:49:44
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they screwed up in chess oppenings for black trompowsky 2.c-5 on all lines.after bg-4. all of the lines in bogo are correct.except tromposky varation back 2 move. c-5. that line doesnt work. Grin
  
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I agree that 6.Nc3 is the critical line, but in the main line 6...Bc3 7.Bc3 Ne4 8.Rc1 0-0 9.Bg2 d6 Black has a solid position and White has only a slight edge at best.
  

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Reply #11 - 02/09/08 at 13:51:45
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DoubledPawns wrote on 02/09/08 at 07:23:11:
Does anyone own the newly-released CD by Schipkov? If so, any opinions/reviews? 

I am curious about the following:

a) Whether the text files explain the ideas properly
b) Whether the 400 games annotated by Schipkov are fully annotated or only lightly annotated
c) If the training questions illustrate the main plans and tactics

Personally, I expect this CD to be of a high-quality in relation to ChessBase's Opening CD's (not to be confused with their DVD's).


I'd be particularly interested to learn whether Schipkov has anything useful to say from the black point of view against 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 Bb4+ 4 Bd2 Qe7 5 g3 Nc6 6 Nc3! 

Black's results in recent years have been rather poor and this line seems to have put off many former GM Bogo players.
  
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Does anyone own the newly-released CD by Schipkov? If so, any opinions/reviews? 

I am curious about the following:

a) Whether the text files explain the ideas properly
b) Whether the 400 games annotated by Schipkov are fully annotated or only lightly annotated
c) If the training questions illustrate the main plans and tactics

Personally, I expect this CD to be of a high-quality in relation to ChessBase's Opening CD's (not to be confused with their DVD's).
  

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Re: Bogo-Indian: where to start learning?
Reply #9 - 02/08/08 at 16:17:32
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I have been playing the nimzo and bogo against 1. d4 for some years, with excellent results regarding the nimzo but moderately good regarding the bogo. I agree that Pedersens book is quite good and although it is now somewhat dated I guess bogo theory hasnt changed much in last years. Chess Openings Explained for Black (COE) I also have and it is perhaps more suitable for a newcomer to the defence than Pedersens book. However, Dzindzi is generally too optimistic about blacks chances in COE, for example in the line d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 Bb4+ Nbd2. I believe his coverage of the Bd2 Qe7 line is much better. COE´s coverage of the 4. f3 line in the nimzo I also find suspicious since it is fairly easy to find improvements for white in the lines it advocates against 4. f3, even without comp assistance.
  
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