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Re: Surprised by 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Qf3
Reply #18 - 04/02/15 at 12:50:32
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Re: Surprised by 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Qf3
Reply #17 - 03/28/14 at 10:06:11
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I played 4 Nd7 line is a team match this season and my opponnet didt not get anyting after the openng and I outplayed him and got a winning attack.
  
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Re: Surprised by 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Qf3
Reply #16 - 03/26/14 at 00:43:32
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Michael Negele wrote a thorough article in Kaissiber #15 (2000) about the Goldman Variation 2.Nc3 & 3.Qf3 against the Caro-Kann. That's the issue with the photograph of Warren H. Goldman on the cover. 37 pages on history and theory of the line, the bibliography lists 74 sources. - Several pages discuss the question why Hans Müller claimed in Deutsche Schachzeitung 1959, p.176, that Rudolf Spielmann had played the line "already 40 years ago in local tournaments in Vienna". 

Vass is probably right: Negele argues that Spielmann had played 5.Qf3, but in his comments of those games never mentions 3.Qf3, so there are serious doubts whether he has ever used Qf3 already in move three.
  
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Re: Surprised by 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Qf3
Reply #15 - 03/25/14 at 22:07:40
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Keano wrote on 03/25/14 at 20:07:38:
katar wrote on 03/25/14 at 18:53:04:


Interesting. So it is still a mystery how it got to be called the Spielmann variation?

Does anybody have the Goldman book, maybe he references Spielmann in it???


Maybe all this is because of this one:


Of course, here Spielmann plays 5.Qf3 (after 2.d4) and not 3.Qf3 right away, but probably Goldman referenced this idea as invented by Spielmann, hence the Spielmann variation.  Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Surprised by 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Qf3
Reply #14 - 03/25/14 at 20:07:38
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katar wrote on 03/25/14 at 18:53:04:


Interesting. So it is still a mystery how it got to be called the Spielmann variation?

Does anybody have the Goldman book, maybe he references Spielmann in it???
  
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Re: Surprised by 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Qf3
Reply #13 - 03/25/14 at 20:05:27
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Stigma wrote on 03/25/14 at 19:44:45:
@Keano: Are you talking about Rudolf Spielmann all the time, or about Jonathan Speelman as well?


I thought I was talking about Jonathan Speelman, but was completely wrong, the variation seems to be named after Rudolf Spielmann. Why exactly we don't know, because we cannot find any record of games played with this  Sad
  
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Re: Surprised by 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Qf3
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@Keano: Are you talking about Rudolf Spielmann all the time, or about Jonathan Speelman as well?
  

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Reply #11 - 03/25/14 at 18:53:04
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Re: Surprised by 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Qf3
Reply #10 - 03/25/14 at 17:05:52
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I think I was mistaken - I was thinking of the position:

1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Qf3!?

But even there I cannot find any Speelman games  Huh

For some reason I have this association of Speelman with Qf3, perhaps the games didn't make the database, or he wrote about it. 
Or failing that I am imagining it  Cool

Update: having said all that this link to a French site:
http://www.mjae.com/caro-kann-spiel.html
calls it "La variante Spielmann de la Caro-Kann"

But as MnB says there is no record of Rudolf Spielmann playing this line in the database!? Strange mystery.
  
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Re: Surprised by 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Qf3
Reply #9 - 03/25/14 at 16:06:41
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Stigma wrote on 03/25/14 at 11:53:46:
Read it one more time maybe?  Smiley

Spielmann and Speelman are different players.

Ah - internetdyslexie .... I haven't found any Speelman games with 3.Qf3 either though.
  

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Re: Surprised by 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Qf3
Reply #8 - 03/25/14 at 12:06:39
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As a Caro-Kann player, I never understood this line; what is White playing for?
  

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Read it one more time maybe?  Smiley

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Re: Surprised by 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Qf3
Reply #6 - 03/25/14 at 00:29:17
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Keano wrote on 03/24/14 at 23:31:07:
old Speelman favourite isn't it,

I read this over and over again, but yet have to meet the first Spielmann game with 3.Qf3 ..... (and I have 1354 games of him in my database). So perhaps you can tell me when and where he played it?
  

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Re: Surprised by 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Qf3
Reply #5 - 03/25/14 at 00:03:30
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Hadron wrote on 10/17/13 at 22:32:59:

4...Nd7 is the line given by Warren H. Goldman in his book "New Ideas in Old Settings: 3.Qb3 against the Caro-Kann".


Just to show how old the idea is, for Qb3, read Q-B3, in other words Qf3  expressed in the old British and American descriptive notation. It's one of those off-beat lines that can cause trouble if you haven't researched it, but presumed defused if you have. It's dangerous to declare an old opening idea totally harmless, as there's always the possibility of it turning up in the Candidates or similar elite events.
  
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Re: Surprised by 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Qf3
Reply #4 - 03/24/14 at 23:31:07
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old Speelman favourite isn't it, harmless if you know what to do.
  
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