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Re: Identify, Rate, or Comment on Dutch Def. Sources
Reply #18 - 02/16/12 at 03:21:48
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The following links are from Chessgames.com

I hope the game score hints I made (in brackets) to the classification system is appropriate. If there is additional information players can add to this I'm very sure it will be appreciated by those of us less knowledgeable. 

Again, my effort was only to make the games easier to find.

Dutch Defense
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a80
2.g3
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a81
Staunton Gambit (2.e4)
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a82
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a83
2.c4
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a84
2.c4, 3.Nc3
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a85
2.c4, 3.g3
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a86
Leningrad (...g6)
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a87
7...c6: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a88
7...Nc6: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a89
Dutch (...e6)
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a90
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a91
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a92
Stonewall (...d5)
Botvinnik: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a93
Ba3: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a94
Nc3: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a95
Dutch Classical (...d6)
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a96
Ilyin-Zhenevsky: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a97
Ilyin-Zhenevsky with Qc2: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a98
Ilyin-Zhenevsky with b3: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a99
  
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Re: Identify, Rate, or Comment on Dutch Def. Sources
Reply #17 - 02/16/12 at 01:53:03
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Thank you very much Wink!

I've decided to sticky this thread to make it easier for members to find information on the Dutch Defence on this forum.
  

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Re: Identify, Rate, or Comment on Dutch Def. Sources
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Here are three more from the Opening Theory section:

CP Heroes and Slayers: http://www.chesspublishing.com/content/11/gallery.htm

CP Recommendations: http://www.chesspublishing.com/content/11/recs.htm

CP Reviews: http://www.chesspublishing.com/content/11/reviews.htm
  
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Re: Identify, Rate, or Comment on Dutch Def. Sources
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Many thanks for this, Wink -- greatly appreciated!
  
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Good grief. Good job!
  
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If you find this post beneficial please take the time to find other sources, beyond the Forum, that will add to its usefulness. Thanks.
  
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Re: Identify, Rate, or Comment on Dutch Def. Sources
Reply #12 - 02/15/12 at 18:58:21
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This section of the Forum is now large enough to make it difficult to many of the posts on the Dutch Defense. I had some time on my hands so I decided to fix that somewhat with this effort. 
Here are nearly all of the Dutch Defense Discussions on CP Forum. 
Those I left out appeared to be overlapping ideas or very specific questions that might not attract a great deal of interest. If I’ve left any out that you think are important, append them to this post. 
The categories I’ve chosen are far from clinically clean. However, this crude attempt divides the ideas, posted over the years, so a player will have a better chance to find them.
 
Commentary on Books
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1325312118
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1280926119
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1170073026
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1130033252
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1119810541/30
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1141667312
Dangerous Weapons: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1234670097
Starting Out: The Dutch http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1110227852
Leningrad Book: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1205407261
Lane book: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1086021912

How to Open the Game as Black; Transposing to a Variation
Adopting the Dutch: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1271431636
Adopting the Dutch: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1246488425
Which Dutch to Play: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1203448667
Angling for a Dutch: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1221744682
Dutch via 1...e6: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1184586069
Transpositions: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1083683795
Transpositions: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1105091474
Stonewall or Leningrad? : http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1166863330
Classical or Leningrad: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1106473239
Dutch vs English: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1230427715

Classical Dutch
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1264112391
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1154209238
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1288890314
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1278828715
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1267737701
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1250388130
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1209800798
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1176071617
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1142510845
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1047377203
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1144755275
Ilyin – Zhenevsky: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1101768779
Ilyin – Zhenevsky: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1095383805
Antoshin: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1184586069

Leningrad Dutch
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1263558771
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1319867693
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1305751502
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1301084367
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1258960533
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1245339585
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1230977287
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1189073522
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1171221259
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1165370612
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1138128618
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1143543575
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1132607657
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1083027947
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1066575696
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1114136342
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1117793925
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1098066045
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1093053823
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1111611361
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1109922844
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1107137415
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1082905972
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1075855074
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1047711617
7...Nc6: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1114006260
7...Nc6: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1182867898
7...Nc6: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1160942152

Stonewall Dutch
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1310768473
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1245104259
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1294034468
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1272628803
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1205235331
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1242036686
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1232052337
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1230381057
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1085741893
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1173697562
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1169132075
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1154825781
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1125809868
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1126879205
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1124511300

Anti-Dutch
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1266508965/15
2.Bg5: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1294843055
2.Bg5: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1243719343
2.Bg5: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1072730428
2.Bg5: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1127052625
2.Nc3: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1312815099
2.Nc3:  http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1163457730
2.Nc3 : http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1080553771
2.Nc3: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1084181804
2.Nc3 : http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1083654055
2.d5: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1268673710
London vs Dutch: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1105465266
London vs Dutch: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1296548032
Veresov vs Dutch: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1100474915
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1167482013
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1320337102
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1299782864
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1300301677
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1234337769
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1209155560
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1207938203
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1202745399
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1145904477
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1110976078
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1070314513
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1092591749

Dutch Gambits
Staunton: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1202315790
Staunton: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1244110353
Staunton: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1124552847
Kortchnoi: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1175510160

1.Nf3 f5
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1289569869
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1231513487
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1213339608
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1138969676
  
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Re: Identify, Rate, or Comment on Dutch Def. Sources
Reply #11 - 01/25/12 at 17:28:29
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I think there is a new Dutch Def. source out now called The Dutch Stonewall DVD by FM Valeri Lilov.

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Reply #10 - 01/25/12 at 10:39:31
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Another good source for Stonewall Dutch can be Victor Moskalenko's "Revolutionize Your Chess - A Brand-New System To Become A Better Player" (New In Chess, 2009).
About 40 pages of good analyses sharing many ideas for black and white.  Wink
  
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Reply #9 - 01/24/12 at 21:34:25
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Of course Chesspub belongs to other sources!
  
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Reply #8 - 01/24/12 at 20:56:28
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Actually I only have a copy of part of the book which I got from a CP forum friend... 

FYI, the 8...Nc6 section is 17 pages long going through the various lines. In the 9.Qb3 variation it recommends 9..Ned7!?
  
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Reply #7 - 01/24/12 at 13:40:37
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 01/24/12 at 01:17:05:
I have never seen this book before, where did you purchase this? I know Spanish so I do not need a translated version if there is one.


After a little googling: it seems to be available here: http://tiendachessy.com/tienda/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=362

I was considering ordering a copy myself, but they probably don't accept paypal and apparently you have to create a detailed personal account to buy it too - a lot of bother for something I probably don't need anyway...
  
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Re: Identify, Rate, or Comment on Dutch Def. Sources
Reply #6 - 01/24/12 at 02:38:07
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JonathanB wrote on 01/23/12 at 21:40:21:
I thought the OP was asking about 1 d4, 2 others with this question.

Ah, that makes sense.

Sylvester wrote on 01/23/12 at 15:00:27:
2. Since MacDonald seems to indicate that the Stonewall should be learned first, why is this variation given less attention than the Leningrad Dutch?

3. What order of variations would you use to build a repertoire in the Dutch Defense? Why?

4. If you intended to play the Dutch as White and as Black would this change your answer to question 3? Why?

5. What are the lines that Black has to be concerned about outside the Stonewall, Leningrad, and Classical Dutch these days?

7. Which variation in the Dutch do you think gets less attention than it deserves? Why?

8. Do you think a book on Tactics in the Dutch Defense has validity these days?


2. Is it? There have been written a few books on the Stonewall lately.
Moreover I'm not so sure if McDonald is right about this. It's possible to build a repertoire around the Leningrad or the Classical while avoiding transpositions to the Stonewall.

3. I never have determined a specific order. I used to play the Iljin-Zjenevsky but have switched to the Classical with ...Bb4 a few years ago. That makes sense as the latter can be considered as attempt to improve on the former.
I chose based on taste.

4. No. I do play the Dutch with both colours.

5. All of them. There isn't something like an easy ride in the Dutch, now matter which system you chose. If you neglect one chances increase dramatically that you end up in a disaster.

7. In the first place the Christmas Tree Variation (Black plays ...f5; ...b6; ...e6; ...g6;) Literally nobody has written on this. There are move order issues.
Then there is the ...Bb4 stuff. That's one reason I switched to it, so count me happy. Besides Williams nobody has written on it systematically and Williams' coverage is quite superficial.
It's not possible to build a complete defence on it. I have complemented it with the French (1.d4 e6 2.e4) and the Tartakower (1.d4 e6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 d5).
It's possible to combine the ...Bb4 variations with the Christmas Tree.

8. Books on tactics in any opening always have value. Why should the Dutch be an exception?
  

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Reply #5 - 01/24/12 at 01:17:05
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I have never seen this book before, where did you purchase this? I know Spanish so I do not need a translated version if there is one.
  

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Reply #4 - 01/23/12 at 22:16:12
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There is also "Defensa Holandesa (Leningrado)" by Oscar De la Riva which I have used as my source for playing the leningrad Nc6 variation.
  
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