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Re: Identify, Rate, or Comment on Dutch Def. Sources
Reply #33 - 04/12/12 at 00:59:56
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Sylvester wrote on 04/08/12 at 19:20:02:
As you wish Markovich. I will not post here again.


No! By all means please do post, just not with all those references to 365chess and the like, where anyone with half a brain can look the same thing up for himself.  Posting references to older threads here would be especially useful. And so would references to previous updates.

Also please note, I don't moderate this part of the forum.  I regret invoking my status as a moderator in my earlier post.
  

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Re: Identify, Rate, or Comment on Dutch Def. Sources
Reply #32 - 04/09/12 at 13:50:05
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What's wrong with Wink's attempt to list and discuss 1.d4 f5 sources? It might be quite useful for someone who studies the Dutch. In replies 1-16, Wink listed chess books, some of them pretty old and probably unknown to many members. Then he located all the stuff from chesspub, an impressive list. If more members had participated, it would have improved the thread. But the lack of a lively debate isn't Wink's fault. - I understand that there must be limits to mention rival commercial sites. But it would greatly hurt the spirit of Chesspub to discourage the discussion of opening books and a handful of useful websites. 

A good source, by the way, is http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/links/openings.html , where Chesspub member urusov gives a dozen of Dutch links.
  
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Reply #31 - 04/09/12 at 12:51:15
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 04/09/12 at 10:41:18:
Markovich wrote on 04/08/12 at 18:59:15:
I don't see what is the point of posting incessantly with nothing but citations of other websites.

I quite agree, I'm tempted to delete them all.
Of course I'd make an exception for the Daring Defences section on ChessPublishing.com (did anyone actually mention this source? Huh ) as this is the Forum for ChessPublishing subscribers!


I don't see the need to mention everything on the net, either. But maybe the moderators should agree on a policy for links, as one made this topic a sticky while another wants to delete it.

But the basic idea of creating an index for chesspub threads and books/articles covering a certain opening may have some value though, as in Wink's thread on the "Bird Opening Sources" - as long as you remember to differentiate between what is worth mentioning and what is not.
  
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Re: Identify, Rate, or Comment on Dutch Def. Sources
Reply #30 - 04/09/12 at 10:41:18
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Markovich wrote on 04/08/12 at 18:59:15:
I don't see what is the point of posting incessantly with nothing but citations of other websites.

I quite agree, I'm tempted to delete them all.
Of course I'd make an exception for the Daring Defences section on ChessPublishing.com (did anyone actually mention this source? Huh ) as this is the Forum for ChessPublishing subscribers!
  
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Re: Identify, Rate, or Comment on Dutch Def. Sources
Reply #29 - 04/09/12 at 05:46:44
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the Christmas Tree Variation (Black plays ...f5; ...b6; ...e6; ...g6;) Literally nobody has written on this.


Weren't there two chapters on this in 'Dangerous Weapons : the Dutch' ?
  
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Reply #28 - 04/08/12 at 19:20:02
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As you wish Markovich. I will not post here again.
  
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Reply #27 - 04/08/12 at 18:59:15
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I don't see what is the point of posting incessantly with nothing but citations of other websites.  It's quite simple for anybody who knows about 365chess.com and chessgames.com and chessopenings.com and these other websites to go there and look things up for himself.  So what is served by this except to promote these websites?  This forum is meant to be a place where people discuss opening theory, not a switchyard for internet searches.

I failed to take notice of this thread for some time.  I'm not a monitor of this part of the board, but if I were I would probably go back and delete a great many of these posts that contain nothing more than links.

But speaking as one long-time participant here, posts of this kind are really not terribly welcome.
  

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Re: Identify, Rate, or Comment on Dutch Def. Sources
Reply #26 - 04/07/12 at 18:02:27
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Yes, I think I did include the Anti-Dutch DVD. He is a YouTube ad for the ABC of the Classical Dutch by IM Martin.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=YouTube+ABC+of+The+Classical+Dutch&docid=471...
  
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Re: Identify, Rate, or Comment on Dutch Def. Sources
Reply #25 - 04/07/12 at 02:34:14
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IM Martin has also done one on the Anti Dutch. It came out the same time he did the Leningrad video. Not sure if it was on your list. 

http://www.chessbase-shop.com/en/products/the_abc_of_the_anti-dutch

  
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Reply #24 - 04/07/12 at 01:52:22
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IM Andrew Martin has recently produced a training video called ABC of the Classical Dutch. 

I'm sorry to admit that I overlooked the fact that he also produced another training video for ChessBase called ABC of the Leningrad Dutch.
  
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Reply #22 - 02/17/12 at 03:38:02
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The detail and naming within ECO codes for the Dutch Defence seems to vary a bit so I've included some of the better lists I've seen on the Internet. 

This should be my last post.  Wink says you are welcome  Smiley.

Other ECO Codes for Dutch Defence: 

http://www.maskeret.com/cgi-bin/diagram.cgi?tipo=link&ini=A80&fin=A99
http://chessopenings.com/dutch/
http://ecochess.com/a00a99/a80a89.htm
http://www.chessarch.com/library/0000_eco/a80_a99.shtml

ECO for Dutch Reversed:
 
http://www.chessarch.com/library/0000_eco/a02_a03.shtml
  
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Bibs wrote on 02/15/12 at 23:30:28:
Good grief. Good job!

My words. I'm baffled.
  

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Reply #19 - 02/16/12 at 03:59:19
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The following links are from 365Chess.com

I hope the game score hints I made (in brackets) to the classification system is appropriate. If there is additional information players can add to this I'm very sure it will be appreciated by those of us less knowledgeable. 

Again, my effort was only to make the games easier to find.

Dutch Defense

http://www.365chess.com/eco/a80
2.g3
http://www.365chess.com/eco/a81
Staunton Gambit (2.e4)
http://www.365chess.com/eco/a82
http://www.365chess.com/eco/a83
2.c4
http://www.365chess.com/eco/a84
2.c4, 3.Nc3
http://www.365chess.com/eco/a85
2.c4, 3.g3
http://www.365chess.com/eco/a86
Leningrad (...g6)
http://www.365chess.com/eco/a87
7...c6: 
http://www.365chess.com/eco/a88
7...Nc6: 
http://www.365chess.com/eco/a89
Dutch (...e6)
http://www.365chess.com/eco/a90
http://www.365chess.com/eco/a91
http://www.365chess.com/eco/a92
Stonewall (...d5)
Botvinnik: http://www.365chess.com/eco/a93
Ba3: http://www.365chess.com/eco/a94
Nc3: http://www.365chess.com/eco/a95
Dutch Classical (...d6)
http://www.365chess.com/eco/a96
Ilyin-Zhenevsky: http://www.365chess.com/eco/a97
Ilyin-Zhenevsky with Qc2: http://www.365chess.com/eco/a98
Ilyin-Zhenevsky with b3: http://www.365chess.com/eco/a99
  
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Reply #18 - 02/16/12 at 03:21:48
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The following links are from Chessgames.com

I hope the game score hints I made (in brackets) to the classification system is appropriate. If there is additional information players can add to this I'm very sure it will be appreciated by those of us less knowledgeable. 

Again, my effort was only to make the games easier to find.

Dutch Defense
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a80
2.g3
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a81
Staunton Gambit (2.e4)
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a82
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a83
2.c4
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a84
2.c4, 3.Nc3
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a85
2.c4, 3.g3
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a86
Leningrad (...g6)
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a87
7...c6: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a88
7...Nc6: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a89
Dutch (...e6)
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a90
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a91
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a92
Stonewall (...d5)
Botvinnik: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a93
Ba3: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a94
Nc3: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a95
Dutch Classical (...d6)
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a96
Ilyin-Zhenevsky: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a97
Ilyin-Zhenevsky with Qc2: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a98
Ilyin-Zhenevsky with b3: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=a99
  
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Reply #17 - 02/16/12 at 01:53:03
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Thank you very much Wink!

I've decided to sticky this thread to make it easier for members to find information on the Dutch Defence on this forum.
  

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Reply #16 - 02/16/12 at 01:07:49
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Here are three more from the Opening Theory section:

CP Heroes and Slayers: http://www.chesspublishing.com/content/11/gallery.htm

CP Recommendations: http://www.chesspublishing.com/content/11/recs.htm

CP Reviews: http://www.chesspublishing.com/content/11/reviews.htm
  
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Reply #15 - 02/16/12 at 00:34:01
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Many thanks for this, Wink -- greatly appreciated!
  
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Good grief. Good job!
  
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If you find this post beneficial please take the time to find other sources, beyond the Forum, that will add to its usefulness. Thanks.
  
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Reply #12 - 02/15/12 at 18:58:21
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This section of the Forum is now large enough to make it difficult to many of the posts on the Dutch Defense. I had some time on my hands so I decided to fix that somewhat with this effort. 
Here are nearly all of the Dutch Defense Discussions on CP Forum. 
Those I left out appeared to be overlapping ideas or very specific questions that might not attract a great deal of interest. If I’ve left any out that you think are important, append them to this post. 
The categories I’ve chosen are far from clinically clean. However, this crude attempt divides the ideas, posted over the years, so a player will have a better chance to find them.
 
Commentary on Books
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1325312118
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1280926119
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1170073026
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1130033252
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1119810541/30
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1141667312
Dangerous Weapons: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1234670097
Starting Out: The Dutch http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1110227852
Leningrad Book: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1205407261
Lane book: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1086021912

How to Open the Game as Black; Transposing to a Variation
Adopting the Dutch: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1271431636
Adopting the Dutch: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1246488425
Which Dutch to Play: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1203448667
Angling for a Dutch: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1221744682
Dutch via 1...e6: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1184586069
Transpositions: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1083683795
Transpositions: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1105091474
Stonewall or Leningrad? : http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1166863330
Classical or Leningrad: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1106473239
Dutch vs English: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1230427715

Classical Dutch
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1264112391
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1154209238
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1288890314
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1278828715
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1267737701
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1250388130
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1209800798
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1176071617
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1142510845
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1047377203
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1144755275
Ilyin – Zhenevsky: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1101768779
Ilyin – Zhenevsky: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1095383805
Antoshin: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1184586069

Leningrad Dutch
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1263558771
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1319867693
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1305751502
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1301084367
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1258960533
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1245339585
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1230977287
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1189073522
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1171221259
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1165370612
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1138128618
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1143543575
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1132607657
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1083027947
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1066575696
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1114136342
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1117793925
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1098066045
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1093053823
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1111611361
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1109922844
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1107137415
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1082905972
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1075855074
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1047711617
7...Nc6: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1114006260
7...Nc6: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1182867898
7...Nc6: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1160942152

Stonewall Dutch
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1310768473
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1245104259
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1294034468
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1272628803
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1205235331
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1242036686
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1232052337
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1230381057
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1085741893
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1173697562
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1169132075
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1154825781
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1125809868
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1126879205
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1124511300

Anti-Dutch
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1266508965/15
2.Bg5: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1294843055
2.Bg5: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1243719343
2.Bg5: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1072730428
2.Bg5: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1127052625
2.Nc3: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1312815099
2.Nc3:  http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1163457730
2.Nc3 : http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1080553771
2.Nc3: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1084181804
2.Nc3 : http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1083654055
2.d5: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1268673710
London vs Dutch: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1105465266
London vs Dutch: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1296548032
Veresov vs Dutch: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1100474915
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http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1320337102
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1299782864
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1300301677
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http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1209155560
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http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1202745399
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1145904477
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1110976078
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1070314513
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1092591749

Dutch Gambits
Staunton: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1202315790
Staunton: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1244110353
Staunton: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1124552847
Kortchnoi: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1175510160

1.Nf3 f5
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1289569869
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1231513487
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1213339608
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Reply #11 - 01/25/12 at 17:28:29
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I think there is a new Dutch Def. source out now called The Dutch Stonewall DVD by FM Valeri Lilov.

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Another good source for Stonewall Dutch can be Victor Moskalenko's "Revolutionize Your Chess - A Brand-New System To Become A Better Player" (New In Chess, 2009).
About 40 pages of good analyses sharing many ideas for black and white.  Wink
  
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Of course Chesspub belongs to other sources!
  
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Actually I only have a copy of part of the book which I got from a CP forum friend... 

FYI, the 8...Nc6 section is 17 pages long going through the various lines. In the 9.Qb3 variation it recommends 9..Ned7!?
  
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 01/24/12 at 01:17:05:
I have never seen this book before, where did you purchase this? I know Spanish so I do not need a translated version if there is one.


After a little googling: it seems to be available here: http://tiendachessy.com/tienda/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=362

I was considering ordering a copy myself, but they probably don't accept paypal and apparently you have to create a detailed personal account to buy it too - a lot of bother for something I probably don't need anyway...
  
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Reply #6 - 01/24/12 at 02:38:07
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JonathanB wrote on 01/23/12 at 21:40:21:
I thought the OP was asking about 1 d4, 2 others with this question.

Ah, that makes sense.

Sylvester wrote on 01/23/12 at 15:00:27:
2. Since MacDonald seems to indicate that the Stonewall should be learned first, why is this variation given less attention than the Leningrad Dutch?

3. What order of variations would you use to build a repertoire in the Dutch Defense? Why?

4. If you intended to play the Dutch as White and as Black would this change your answer to question 3? Why?

5. What are the lines that Black has to be concerned about outside the Stonewall, Leningrad, and Classical Dutch these days?

7. Which variation in the Dutch do you think gets less attention than it deserves? Why?

8. Do you think a book on Tactics in the Dutch Defense has validity these days?


2. Is it? There have been written a few books on the Stonewall lately.
Moreover I'm not so sure if McDonald is right about this. It's possible to build a repertoire around the Leningrad or the Classical while avoiding transpositions to the Stonewall.

3. I never have determined a specific order. I used to play the Iljin-Zjenevsky but have switched to the Classical with ...Bb4 a few years ago. That makes sense as the latter can be considered as attempt to improve on the former.
I chose based on taste.

4. No. I do play the Dutch with both colours.

5. All of them. There isn't something like an easy ride in the Dutch, now matter which system you chose. If you neglect one chances increase dramatically that you end up in a disaster.

7. In the first place the Christmas Tree Variation (Black plays ...f5; ...b6; ...e6; ...g6;) Literally nobody has written on this. There are move order issues.
Then there is the ...Bb4 stuff. That's one reason I switched to it, so count me happy. Besides Williams nobody has written on it systematically and Williams' coverage is quite superficial.
It's not possible to build a complete defence on it. I have complemented it with the French (1.d4 e6 2.e4) and the Tartakower (1.d4 e6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 d5).
It's possible to combine the ...Bb4 variations with the Christmas Tree.

8. Books on tactics in any opening always have value. Why should the Dutch be an exception?
  

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I have never seen this book before, where did you purchase this? I know Spanish so I do not need a translated version if there is one.
  

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There is also "Defensa Holandesa (Leningrado)" by Oscar De la Riva which I have used as my source for playing the leningrad Nc6 variation.
  
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MNb wrote on 01/23/12 at 17:32:43:
Sylvester wrote on 01/23/12 at 15:00:27:
5. What are the lines that Black has to be concerned about outside the Stonewall, Leningrad, and Classical Dutch these days?

Well, if Black picks one he doesn't have to be concerned about the others, does he?


I thought the OP was asking about 1 d4, 2 others with this question.

To answer it, you've first got to decide whether you want to begin 1 ... e6 as Black or whether you wish to play (or have to play) 1 ... f5.



  

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Sylvester wrote on 01/23/12 at 15:00:27:
5. What are the lines that Black has to be concerned about outside the Stonewall, Leningrad, and Classical Dutch these days?

Well, if Black picks one he doesn't have to be concerned about the others, does he?

Sylvester wrote on 01/23/12 at 15:00:27:
9. What sources are missing from this list?

Everything written in German.
That's quite relevant for the Classical Dutch.
I'll answer some of your questions later.
  

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Sylvester wrote on 01/23/12 at 15:00:27:

3. What order of variations would you use to build a repertoire in the Dutch Defense? Why?

4. If you intended to play the Dutch as White and as Black would this change your answer to question 3? Why?

5. What are the lines that Black has to be concerned about outside the Stonewall, Leningrad, and Classical Dutch these days?

8. Do you think a book on Tactics in the Dutch Defense has validity these days?

9. What sources are missing from this list?


3. I'd learn the anti-Dutch first, because they are pretty common at club level.

4. I'm not really sure what you mean, because White doesn't really play the Dutch. If you mean the Bird, I don't play it.

5. I would guess 1.Nf3 f5 2.d3, ever since the Carlsen-Dolmatov game.

8. Yes.

9. There is Beating the Indian Defences, that has a chapter on 1.d4 f5 2.Nc3
  
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Introductions to the Dutch Defense:
Starting Out: The Dutch Defense by MacDonald
Dutch Defense by Christiansen and Silman
Winning With the Dutch by Bellin
The Dutch Defense 2nd Ed (A80-A99) by Sawyer [CD]
Dutch Defense by Chess Digest

Stonewall Sources:
Winning With the Stonewall Dutch by Johnsen, et. al.
Dutch Stonewall by Aagaard
Dutch Defence (A90-A99) by Shipkov [DVD]
Modern Stonewall Dutch by Schiller

Leningrad Sources:
The Dutch Defence Leningrad System by Shipkov [DVD]
Leningrad Dutch by Chess Digest
The Leningrad Dutch by Harding
The Leningrad Dutch by Devault
Winning With the Leningrad Dutch 7...Qe8 by Soltis
The Leningrad Dutch by Ehlvest
Understanding the Leningrad Dutch by Beim
The Leningrad Variation 7...Nc6 by S1 Editrice
The Leningrad Dutch by Neil MacDonald (The Chess Press, 1997)
Play the Dutch (Everyman Chess) by MacDonald
The Leningrad Dutch by Hall and Carter
The Leningrad System by Kindermann
The Dutch for the Attacking Player by Pedersen
A86-89 Informant Monograph by Gurevich
Dutch Defence A88, A89 by Moravian

Classical Dutch Sources:
Killer Dutch by Williams[DVD] 
Classical Dutch by Pinski
Play the Classical Dutch by Williams
The Classical Dutch by Bellin

Other Dutch Sources:
The Contemporary Anti-Dutch by Martin
The ABC of the Anti-Dutch by Martin [DVD]
The Dutch: Dangerous Weapons by Palliser, et. al.
How to Play Black Against the Staunton Gambit by Schiller
Dutch (A80-A85) by Shipkov [DVD]
Dutch Defense: New and Forgotten Ideas by Minev and Donaldson
Play the Dutch Defense Against 1.c4 and 1.Nf3 by Devault and Hickman
Dutch Defence A86, A87 by Moravian

I have some of these sources and have searched out the others for this post.

Some Questions to Consider:
 
1. With so many books written on this defense, why isn't there a Mastering the Dutch Defense book written like those in the French, King's Indian, and Spanish ?

2. Since MacDonald seems to indicate that the Stonewall should be learned first, why is this variation given less attention than the Leningrad Dutch?

3. What order of variations would you use to build a repertoire in the Dutch Defense? Why?

4. If you intended to play the Dutch as White and as Black would this change your answer to question 3? Why?

5. What are the lines that Black has to be concerned about outside the Stonewall, Leningrad, and Classical Dutch these days?

6. What would be your top picks for sources in each section above? Why?

7. Which variation in the Dutch do you think gets less attention than it deserves? Why?

8. Do you think a book on Tactics in the Dutch Defense has validity these days?

9. What sources are missing from this list?


Please pick a question or questions to discuss. Thanks for your input.



  
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